Desktop or Web #1256
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I would like to start working on one very soon! Unfortunately Tasks' is still lacking in the revenue department, but I'm hoping the new paid tasks.org sync service will start bringing in enough that I can justify focusing on a web or desktop app |
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Rainlendar. https://www.rainlendar.net/cms/index.php It works well for me - it runs on nearly any desktop (mac, Linux and Windows), supports multiple calendars/task lists in a unified view, CalDAV, subtasks and custom categories. The only "fails" for me are it doesn't support "hide until", and categories aren't synchronized - neither of which are deal breakers for me. It's possible to drop the tasks list of Rainlendar on the desktop and have it function like an interactive widget, which is exactly what I wanted, so I've been able to mimic much of Tasks' capabilities. All the other calendaring features of Rainlendar I've disabled, but they're probably useful as well. |
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Not much as far as I know, that's the problem. |
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I have tried to use super-productivity, and although its features are interesting, the UI is not to my liking. There is also some performance issues on startup, but I suspect that is common for any electron app. I am then wondering how will @abaker approach cross-platform. I see that the code is developed to be android native so a lot of code refactoring will be needed. So will the desktop/web version be developed from scratch, or which language will the whole project be restructured around? One possible solution I am tinkering with is using xamarin.forums and the upcoming MAUI which should make apps compatible with desktop environments, while still giving close to native performance. The language is C#, and there seem to be a few open libraries for simpler development of UI and other stuff. |
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Mono is a nightmare on Linux 😨 |
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I'm also searching for several days a tasks.org aquivalent desktop solution for windows with the possibility to sync with tasks.org. I didn't found yet. Maybe we don't have to reinvent the wheel.
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Not trying to be a fanboy, dismissive of @abaker 's work or anyone else's input, but Rainlendar does pretty much everything already. With a bit of config tuning it has met virtually all of the use cases I have for a desktop partner to Tasks. It syncs with Tasks via CalDav, supports subtasks, custom categories/tags, multiple lists/calendars, priorities, due dates, start dates, recurring tasks, comments etc. I use all of these capabilities daily creating tasks on desktop or my phone - whichever is more convenient. The only thing I use in Tasks that's missing in Rainlendar is Hide Until - and even that concept is supported to some extent for recurring tasks. I may be missing something, but this seems like a complete working solution for all modern desktops except Chrome already - and Tasks via Android on Chrome makes more sense. However, syncing does require a (one-time 10 euro) license and that maybe an issue for some, and there is no web client. |
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@am4c130d I can only speak for myself. Is not that I'm unable to pay 10 euro, I would rather like to see a FOSS-Solution. |
I want to pay but I don't see how I can create a tasks.org account for syncing. I would expect a signup button in the top of the homepage visible even from mobile. Having to go through github sponsordhip is kind of geeky and I don't want to share my tasks with Microsoft. |
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Yeah unfortunately I haven't implemented my own sign up or payments yet. Currently you have to either sign-in with Google (if you have a Google Play subscription) or GitHub (if you're a GitHub sponsor). This is only for identity and payment verification, your data is stored on my VPS |
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Makes sense, thanks
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Yeah unfortunately I haven't implemented my own sign up or payments yet. Currently you have to either sign-in with Google (if you have a Google Play subscription) or GitHub (if you're a GitHub sponsor). This is only for identity and payment verification, your data is stored on my VPS
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It would be so cool to have a web based version of tasks.org. You could combine it with the sync service for a revenue stream while keeping it open source by allowing others to self host. You could even wrap it up in a cross platform electron wrapper. I would literally pay to help see that happen! |
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That's the dream 🤞 I just need to double Tasks current monthly revenue in order to make that happen. NBD, right? |
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I would prefer a native client, with good keyboard navigation. There are already some self-hostable tasks, e.g. EteSync Web. What doesn't exist (at least I haven't found one) is a native client. Anyway, thanks for the great work @abaker. |
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Yes, and that native client will of course need to run on Windows, Mac OSX (intel and arm), Linux (as deb, aur, rpm, flatpack, appimage and snap), FreeBSD, android (oh wait, we already have that covered!), iOS (seperately for smartphone and tablet size), and I'd really really like to sync up my palm m105 and blackberry. Well-made browser software can be navigated entirely with the keyboard. You don't need a native application for that. I don't think "native" is a good benefit-per-cost ratio. |
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Yeah unfortunately I wouldn't have the bandwidth to write native apps myself. I'm going to offer an option to sync Tasks' non-standard fields as x-properties. If there were any highly motivated individuals out there they could write their own Tasks.org-compatible native CalDAV app |
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@ccoenen I am well aware of the advantages of browser software, yet i and many others prefer a native client. And as i said i would prefer it, i don't require it. I had a little hope in this regard since Tasks is a pure android client, so for me only a desktop client is missing and there it is quite possible to make it run on Windows, Mac and Linux, both on x86 and Arm. In addition, Tasks.org would have a standalone feature. |
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With GTK there is a possibility to add a backend that produce byte code that runs well on say Android or iOS. |
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Okay so what I'm suggesting is a 3 stage plan to get tasks to desktop
But i think the web/electron based desktop app is the route to go. Especially if the web based version can be incorporated into the tasks.org sync service to generate revenue, or into self hostable instances for people who would like to host their own software |
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I just bought a pinephone. I'm curious to see what apps I can find to have my need for tasks handling met on GNU/Linux. |
@unite42 Just chiming in to say that you can use the tasks.org app with tasks from Vikunja 🙂 Forking the frontend is possible but you would need to essentially rebuild the api part or change the connection there. Doable, but would be a lot of work. Maybe an easier way would be to get the tasks into Vikunja to then use the apps? |
I'm sure it works quite well, it certainly looks like a lot of work was put into it. My point still stands. |
Oh can do a lot more than just a simple task app. But I'd argue you can use it without problems as such and start using more when you need it. The "heavy" features don't get in your way. (Disclaimer: I built Vikunja) |
I don't mind some feature bloat in these sorts of things. Tasks also has some features that I don't use. When I say that it's heavy, I'm talking mainly about resource usage. Docker? Vue? Web servers? k8s? A separate frontend and backend? It doesn't matter if I simply ignore features I don't care about, there's still a massive web application stack either running at all times or having to spin up every time I want to access my tasks, a stack that has such a large dependency tree that each of the weekly npm malware incidents is more likely to affect me than not. Sure, I can pay for server hosting and run it remotely and at least free my personal devices from the burden of running it, but I'm then fully dependent on a fast, stable network connection to... use a planner. |
If that's where your prioties are then Vikunja might not be for you. Deployment with Docker or k8s are one option and not mandatory. You can also use the desktop app (mind you, it's an electron app but there's a PR open to migrate that to tauri) and run the api on your computer with a default config and sqlite, without any servers to manage. I know people in the community running it successfully for multiple people on a single raspberry pi. From my own tests you can put 100 people on a decent single-core vps. And you can use it with Tasks.org without the vue-frontend. It's all a trade-off between different factors. What isn't? Anyway, I feel like this is getting somewhat off-topic here, would love to continue that discussion on matrix or in the forum ✌ |
We've already discussed this with @kolaente , I gave up on Vikunja because it cannot be used with caldav concurrently with Tasks, and I'm using intensively Tasks with caldav (nextcloud). So for me it's a no go. For the moment, I'm using Tasks on Android and Nexcloud Tasks on the desktop. There is also a proprietary solution, emclient, able to use caldav, but not really reliable so I'm only using it for reading only. Last solution is rainlendar, which is working, but the UX is really ugly. All in all, nothing available on the desktop as far as I know, using caldav in a full extent, even a proprietary one. |
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+1 for the over-complication of Vikunja for this purpose. It's clearly a great app for some, but it's out beyond a standard task manager and simply too complex and awkward to use for my personal needs. It should also be pointed out that not finding something useful isn't the same as being critical. |
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✨I've made an easier guide for how to setup Etesync and Tasks.org in Windows!✨ This one doesn't use WSL or nginx. This setup sits at a beatiful 0% of CPU and 58.3MB of RAM when idle, and up to 0.6% of CPU when it's working (For context, I have a Intel Core i7-4702MQ CPU @ 2.20GHz). https://itsignacioportal.github.io/how-to-setup-etesync-for-tasks-org-in-windows/ |
Thanks for the guide! Is it reliable to have two layers to access to my tasks? First caldav, then etesync, two layers for data I really care about is a lot, and I really don't want to lose tasks on the way. Is etesync webapp usable for a GTD workflow? As far as I remember, the UX was pretty basic (no filtering for instance). |
I'm not sure I undestand. Etesync connects directly to the Tasks.org android app. Do you mean you want to sync your tasks with an Etesync instance and a separate caldav server? |
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Maybe I don't understand how etesync works, I'm using caldav so I guess that we have caldav<->etesync<->tasks ? Or do you mean that I first import all my caldav tasks to etesync ? |
If you're using etesync, you won't need a caldav server. |
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I understand that it is difficult to create a version for each operating system, but useful is useful a version synchronized with the task.org account. |
Just a note: Vikunja now also syncs tags of tasks through CalDav. Somewhat buggy, but they already fixed it in the next release. |
It seems subtasks are already being worked on to sync with Tasks.org: https://kolaente.dev/vikunja/api/pulls/1442 |
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A webapp would be awesome :) |
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I would suggest using flutter which will allow you to compile a mobile and desktop app. If the app is written in flutter, then this app can be released for ios, windows, macos, linux and android |
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@trymeouteh, I disagree, because a Mac appears to be necessary to compile Flutter code due to its dependence upon XCode. More versatile GUI frameworks exist, like the (automotive) industry standard Qt 6, which supports Windows 11, Android 9, Linux 5, and custom embedded systems. Krita is an example of a cross-platform standard Qt application.
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I think it's safe to say that @abaker has by now probably heard an seen all the options. Certainly options like Flutter and Qt, which have been around for years. Flutter in particular has been brought up in this issue in 2021. can we please limit new posts to
Adding your favorite technology to the list does not get this implemented. It only gets 40+ people notified. |
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I hope one day this will be achieved and I can go back to this app that I loved so much. |
As stated in getting-things-gnome/gtg#892, it is because the task needs to be tagged with GTG looked like an abandoned project to me, but It is actually facing a big refactor and a porting to GTK4: https://fortintam.com/blog/call-for-testing-gtg-gtk4-branch/ if anyone wants to try and test it out. GTG looks like a valid task manager app - theoretically - with its plugin mechanism and python introspectable core. |
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As a recent addition there's Errands which is a GTK app that allows to sync with any CalDAV provider. It supports subtasks, priorities, progress, scheduled/deadline times, descriptions... No recurring tasks support or filtering/searching support yet, though. It is in recent active development ( |
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I realize that mentioning technologies is discouraged here, BUT there might be one up-and-coming tech that could be of use here and that @abaker might have not yet heard about. It's Compose Multiplatform, which should allow easily porting Android apps written with Jetpack Compose to other platforms. It's an open-source library created by Jetbrains, the guys behind Kotlin. Perhaps that might be a solution? It should only require adjustments to the code, rather than a complete rewrite for a different platform. |
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I am a subscriber to tasks.org. I noticed that I was needing more and more a desktop version / web app - I was picking my to-dos for the day and manually inserting it into, at first, a sticky-note on my desktop, and later, a Google Keep list, so I could keep track of my daily activities on my workstation without needing to pick up the phone and tap around until I got to the list view I needed. But I often marked one task completed on Keep and forgot to to the same on the tasks.org task... and, likewise, sometimes I entered a last-minute to-do on Keep, but forgot to add it to tasks.org. It was a mess. Seeing that this issue has been open for three years now, what I ended up doing was switching to Ticktick. At first it seemed that it could not do everything I did with tasks,org, but I eventually found workarounds for my workflow. And I even got to like some unique features (e.g.: kanban-like boards) that are missing in tasks.org. |
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Same, now i switching to Joplin. |
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I actually finally got round to setting waydroid up on my linux machine (via weston), and that's been a pretty good solution for me :) the CPU usage is pretty low as well, so I just keep it running! |
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Planify (previously known as Planner) has recently add CalDAV with Nextcloud support (alainm23/planify#1118). I feel with this integration one can finally have a good cross-plaform workflow on linux at the least. |
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Edit: Planify 4.5 has been released on 2024-02-21 including Nextcloud integration (according to release notes) |
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Yes not in the release version yet but most features are implemented so it should release in the next release. |
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I'm sure this has been asked, but when and if a desktop or Web app coming for Tasks.org
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