New GUI/Menu system #87

mrwonko · 2013-04-11T21:47:37Z

The current menu system has a couple of drawbacks, including:

Defining looks and data in the same file - Model View Controller could help?
Only knowing relative coordinates - having both absolute and relative coordinates would help support different aspect ratios and would add the option to have constant-sized (in pixels) elements, i.e. HUD is smaller on higher resolutions. (Keep high DPI screens in mind though (Retina or whatever apple calls theirs?) - maybe make the Virtual Menu Resolution configurable in the options.
Not being very extensible - if two mods want to add to the HUD, they'll conflict.
Not being easily customizable - an MMO-like interface that users can rearrange would be nice?

I can look into this at some point, though that's some time off still.

eezstreet · 2013-04-11T23:24:06Z

I'd like to comment that a new parser template class would be very useful for SP. The rest of what you described sounds slightly touching on the gameplay.

mrwonko · 2013-04-12T11:31:06Z

Well, it'd require a custom uix86.dll, but it doesn't really touch gameplay itself. It would have its place in the modbase and I'm all for having an official "Jedi Academy Enhanced Base" mod at some point.

cadika-orade · 2013-04-23T16:35:32Z

What if the entire interface could be defined using XML?

ensiform · 2013-04-23T17:52:58Z

XML please go.

cadika-orade · 2013-04-23T23:44:26Z

@ensiform I'm sorry. What?

deepy · 2013-04-23T23:50:30Z

I will raise my opinion against XML, there are better ways to do this.

cadika-orade · 2013-04-24T00:02:58Z

Fair enough. I've been taking a class on Android development this semester and have been doing a lot of UI design in XML.

Just thought I'd put it out there.

eezstreet · 2013-04-24T00:30:10Z

Unfortunately there's no one good solution to UI. XML is probably the worst solution tbh.
Tbh, the current system wouldn't be so bad if it had more extendability, a scripting system, and more simplicity, especially in regards to buttons/hoverovers and text. Its also the easiest solution to implement while maintaining cross platform and joystick support.

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Fair enough. I've been taking a class on Android development this semester and have been doing a lot of UI design in XML.

Just thought I'd put it out there.

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Razish · 2013-04-24T02:21:23Z

I think comparing JA's usage of the .menu scripting system to the potential use of the .menu scripting system, is unfair.

Fun fact: You can do all sorts of preprocessor hacks; double macro expansion, x-macros, $evalint, etc. That's all in botlib code.
The game-code should really be using ownerdraw for HUD elements too, but Raven decided to hardcode elements and search by name.
Look at some Q3TA HUDs and you'll get an idea of what's possible.
You can also define constants from gamecode (e.g. aspectratio) before processing the .menu script

aisouard · 2013-10-30T08:13:37Z

Just port CEGUI and the issue is closed !

eezstreet · 2013-10-30T12:24:33Z

How about...

...

No.

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Just port CEGUI and the issue is closed !

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ensiform · 2014-01-06T01:12:04Z

@xycaleth is working on some new menu code that works as a translator to the existing menu code for ease of use.

Razish · 2016-06-17T16:18:30Z

Close as out of scope?
There are so many ways to handle this problem even if we were to pursue it.

clawoflight · 2016-06-18T13:39:25Z

Just wondering, what do you guys have against XML? A defined subset of XML is a very good and proven way to design structured user interfaces. Do you just not like the syntax?

ensiform · 2016-06-18T17:14:09Z

The libraries to support XML are bloated pigs even the light versions.

mrwonko · 2016-06-18T17:32:57Z

Which is fitting, since the format is a bloated pig itself. 👅

ensiform · 2016-06-18T20:18:32Z

I assume claw is referring to the likes of xaml?

clawoflight · 2016-06-18T20:36:47Z

Not specifically, no. A lot of things use a subset of or close to XML:

Android
JavaFX
JSF (Java Server Faces)
XAML
HTML (of course)
etc...

There's also QML which is more like JSON. But JSON and XML share most
principles, they mostly just look different.

XML is great whenever a clear structure exists, which is always the case
in menus.

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I assume claw is referring to the likes of xaml?

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ensiform · 2016-06-18T21:30:20Z

So bloated pile still. And HTML isn't XML its HTML. XHTML is different.

leilei- · 2016-06-18T23:07:41Z

I have trouble reading XML files and even specialized XML editors are quite unintuitive to use (like a toolkit-bloated regedit.exe and gratuitous web access in some cases). I'd rather use the TA script system than XML lol. tags tags everywhere

next, someone will be preaching for data exclusively called through jsons, and then drop tga/jpg/bmp/pcx support in favor of only crushed PNGs because it's "the standard". and then move the entire ui/cgame interface system to GTK so some debian maintainers can be happy of keeping security updates up

ghost · 2016-06-19T03:08:36Z

I move that we should use json exclusively, drop tga/jpg/bmp/pcx in favor of crushed PNGs because it's the standard, and move the entire ui/cgame interface system to GTK.

aisouard · 2016-06-19T07:44:33Z

If that idea wasn't mentionned before, we can still embed Chromium with CEF to make HTML5 and JS user interfaces.

https://twitter.com/aisouard/status/729595212721467392

How much bloated does that sound for you ? :p

Well, this crashes the sound system and locks the mouse while being ingame under Linux.

mrwonko · 2016-06-19T09:05:27Z

Something like QML sounds fine to me. Actually an argument could be made for QML/QtQuick itself, if we ignore that it increases our binary size by an order of magnitude.

Razish · 2016-06-19T12:02:33Z

Format aside, the other points in the issue are specifically related to cgame/ui.
It would almost certainly require a fairly large rewrite breaking any notion of compatibility. This puts it out of scope of OpenJK IMO, as nice as it would be to have everything fixed.

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