Talk:Kornati

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Could we have a pronunciation guide for such entries? The Italian here is helpful, but doesn't indicate the pronunciation in English.Darylchris (talk) 13:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Page name move

Suggest moving Kornati to Kornati Archipelago and Talk:Kornati Islands to Talk:Kornati Archipelago.

It's odd that that page and its talk page don't match.
"Kornati Archipelago" seems to be in use more formal and generally precise a descriptor than "Kornati Islands".
"Kornati" sounds like an adjective, is it?
Kornat (island) seems to read as the largest island of the archipeloga.

--SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:34, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think a rename should be in order but I'm not sure about the exact format as this topic has several issues which need addressing. Per this discussion perhaps Kornati (archipelago) could be a better solution to satisfy the ones who claim that "islands" or "archipelago" are not part of the common name. Like I explained in the discussion, Kornati is the short native form of the whole group, and uses the Croatian plural suffix. It could be translated as "(the) Kornats" in English, although most of the time the Kornati form is left unchanged in English. The full native name is Kornatsko otočje, which literally means "(the) Kornat(i) islands". Also, there the issue of Kornat (island), which is the biggest island in the archipelago and which the whole group is named after (at the moment Kornat is a redirect pointing to the archipelago article). The article about the island should probably switch names with the redirect. The third issue is what to do with the Kornati National Park, which covers most of the archipelago (but not all of it) and which is currently a subsection of this article. The park is listed on the UNESCO tentative list of natural heritage sites and is referred to as Kornati National Park on their website, while the island group is described as "the Kornati archipelago". At the moment some interwiki links from this article point to articles about the park and some to articles about the archipelago (interestingly, this article points to the article about the park in the Croatian wikipedia, even though they have another article about the archipelago as well). In view of all this I suggest the following:

Moving Kornati → Kornati (archipelago) (it seems that "archipelago" is not part of the common name as it is not used in the National Park's name in English)
Moving Kornat (island) → Kornat
Splitting the part about the national park into a standalone article titled Kornati National Park

Timbouctou 10:59, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the discrepancies are pointless, I'll fix those two redirects in a bit - one is leftover of three consecutive page moves and the other is a leftover from the time before the largest island had its own article. Although, I don't at present see any particular need to split the national park info from the islands/archipelago info. The two are practically indistinguishable in the real world, that is, the difference is not really notable. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And, to further clarify - nothing else, AFAICT, is also called "Kornati", so there is no need to disambiguate. The basic criteria from Wikipedia:Article titles trump the very subtle distinction between the toponym and the national park. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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