Talk:Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic

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Date	Process	Result
February 26, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
August 19, 2008	Good article reassessment	Kept

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translation

A translation is welcome, I cannot read it. If I cant read it, it is useless as no translation exist.

POV in history section

the history section makes it look like Armenia was independent up until 1920. it spent 3 years as a weak and unrecognized state, and was previously part of the Russian empire. however the history section here makes it seem like it was a well-established and fully sovereign nation and the soviet union was a big mean aggressive empire that gobbled up weaker nations like the roman empire did. could someone fix this? Pure inuyasha 23:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even if they were part of Russian Empire they were all recognized by the League of Nations-proto UN as independent states.Cheers! Armenian-nj

Actually, Armenia (as well as its neighbors - Georgia and Azerbaijan) were all well-established, fully sovereign and recognized republics. Unfortunately, though their freedom did not last and they were invaded (without any major resistance) by the Bolsheviks who proclaimed them Soviet republics. The same story comes up in books such as The Complete Guide to the Soviet Union and Armenia: Past and Present (both cited), so it is true. -- Clevelander 00:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What i mean is that there should be some mention of it being part of the Russian empire. Pure inuyasha 14:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

oh, and i don't belive they were recognized, i have a 1920 atlas that still shows it as part of the russian empire. i don't see how it could be regocnized when the country it broke off of was still recognized! Pure inuyasha 14:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How can an unrecognized state have ambassadors from US, France and GB? The Treaty of Sevres made all signatories recognise Armenia as a sovereign state! There was no such thing as Russia since 1917.--Eupator 18:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know it was recognised! What I'm saying is that there should be some sign that it was part of the russian empire up to 1917. Pure inuyasha 21:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The "Armenian Legion"

I believe it should be included in the section under "Great Patriotic War" that a number of Armenians served in German military units. This is a known fact which has been documented by serveral sources. Its really no different thatn the Russians, Ukrainians, Latvians or Central Asians who also served in similar unites (such as the so called Russian Liberation Army of Andrei Vlasov) Piercetp 00:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC) Can you prove anyhow that Armenians served in Nazi Army? I can prove the opposite-Misak Manushian -the leader of French resistance was Armenian.[reply]

I included this earlier (along with information on how some even helped save Jews from the Holocaust while part of it). I re-added my earlier paragraph for now, but I'm still not sure if we should include it on an article about the Armenian SSR specfically. Perhaps if there was an article called "Armenians in World War II" then we could do it. Again, I'm not sure. -- Clevelander 02:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Er, also, I'm willing to discuss topics such as these, but I prefer that you do not accuse me of "vandalism." Remember, I have worked long and hard on this article too. Cheers, Clevelander 02:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK that works. Thanks. About that "vandalism", I actually posted a second time because I believed that was too strong a word. I tried to delete it as soon as I posted it but there is no way to reedit comment summaries here. Sorry. Piercetp 04:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! -- Clevelander 22:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA on hold

I think this article is close to being a Good Article, but a few things remain, so I am putting it on hold and if these issues are fixed within the next week then this article can be promoted.

Unfortunately the images are problematic and probably need to be removed:
- Image:SchoolchildrenInArmenia.jpg does not qualify under fair use. It would be fair use if you were writing about that specific photo, not what is illustrating.
- Image:May1paradeYerevan.jpg is from the Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia which was published in the 70s/80s and hence is not Public Domain.
I have spotted a bunch of grammatical and spelling problems with the aritcle. I have fixed up a couple, but the article still needs a good copyedit to check the grammar. Also, there are two mixes of English here - most words are spelt using U.S. English, but some words are spelt in U.K. English, just a couple of instances "metres", "civilisation" (UK) "neighbors", "theaters" (US) (though this is a minor issue).--Konstable 08:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One thing which is still a bit confusing: "Under the Soviet system, the economy of the country was highly centralized with little to no private ownership of income producing property." I would fix this myself but I really don't understand what it's saying in the first place.--Konstable 02:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright I changed it, basically, what it's saying is that communism took over and capitalism was out of the window. The economy was centralized, controlled by the government so they banned all privately runned businesses. - Fedayee 02:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is still a lot to be done here. It is not just a problem of grammar (still some oversized sentences that are hard to read here and there). A lot of the time one sentence does not logically follow another, and some key dates are left out. I will see if I can help fix some of these myself, though not sure if I will have the time.--Konstable 13:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the current version is good enough to be promoted to GA status. I would do this myself right now, but I think I might have worked too much on this article to qualify as a reviewer for it. I will leave a note on WP:GAC for someone else to confirm that it should be promoted.--Konstable 04:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Date: 1936?

Any reason why Armenian SSR's existence dates in the box is written as 1936-1991? Officially, the Republic was established in December of 1920, right? Why do you refer to the disintegration of Union of Soviet Transcaucasian Republics as the establishment of Armenian SSR? Thanks for the explanation in advance. --Aynabend (talk) 14:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move to Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic

It seems that given that the formal name for this nation was "Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic", the soviet prefix abbreviation (-"SSR") shouldn't be in the full article name. Therefore, I propose to move the article to its full form, Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic. We wouldn't have an article about North Korea titled "DPRK", would we? --Micahbrwn (talk) 09:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me, but what about other 15 republics? They should all be named the same way. VartanM (talk) 18:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss this multimove here --Lox (t,c) 11:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

culture and life

is the flag anecdote really relevant here? it seems to be included more as a putdown towards turkey in the ongoing saga of turkish-armenian animosity, more than anything else. not to mention the only disputable source:...krutchev's memoires —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.29.210.205 (talk) 06:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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More improvement needed

The article, despite its GA status, contains numerous inaccuracies, weasel-worded statements, and unsourced assertions. Also, given the importance of the subject, the article should rely on more reliable and up-to-date sources. --Kober^Talk 06:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. Its GA status was given many years ago though, so perhaps the quality standards back then were somewhat lower. Not something that can't be solved though. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:49, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article editing

There are certain users who have been editing other SSR articles on Wikipedia for the past year, by stating that the soviet republics existed until the adoption of their new constitutions in the mid-1990s.

Armenian SSR declared itself independent and changed its name to Armenia in 1991, and there are absolutely no arguments to back up that this state existed until 1995. That would be rewriting history. A new state is not just a matter of all-new constitutions, but also of its status and form of government. Afghanistan has had a lot of states since the abolishment of monarchy in the 1970s: the First Republic (1973–1978), Democratic Republic/Second Republic (1978–1992), the Islamic State (1992–2001), the Islamic Emirate (1996–2001), the Afghan Interim Administration (2001–2002), the Afghan Transitional Administration (2002–2004), and the present-day Islamic Republic since 2004. Yet they have only had four constitutions since then: 1976, 1987, 1990 and 2004. Is that to say that we should change these yearspans totally as well, so that most of these states didn't exist? The People's Republic of Hungary ended in 1989, but an all-new constitution was first made in 2011. Should we also say that the PR of Hungary existed until 2011, then? That would make little sense. Although Armenia did not adopt a new constitution before 1995, there's no doubt about that it was a totally different state. It had a totally different form of government, its name was changed, it was an independent state (not a federated state), it was not a Soviet socialist republic. These factors are a lot more independent than the adoption of an all-new constitution. And although the constitution was not all-new, and formally the same constitution although heavily amended, it was amended to fit a new state and was not really the same constitution in practice. You'll have to agree that the 1991 transition is a lot more historically significant change in Armenia's history than the adoption of a new constitution. A.h. king • Talk to me! 22:03, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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