Talk:Sao Shwe Thaik

Correction of English

I have cleaned up and corrected the English in the original article - I have not, however, checked the facts presented on this subject.

need to write more about his biography

i think , he deserve to be written aout him here , any have knowledge aout shan , plese help us.

Inaccuracies

1) The coats of arms shown in the article was apparently not that of Sao Shwe Thaik. It was that of the socialist government led by U Ne Win (1962-1998) that toppled the parlimentary government led by U Nu (1948-1962) of which Sao Shwe Thike was the head of the state. The pinion and the paddy crops are apparently the symbols for socialism. (Somehow, this coats of arms is still being used by the present military government of Maynmar.)

2) Sao Shwe Thaik was not the head of the state during the whole period of 1948-1962. There was another person named Mun Win Maung (an ethnic Karin) who served as the president (head of the state) of Myanmar for some years (although I don't exactly remember from where to where). Zeyaraun 02:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

references

Do we have sufficient references for this article? RJFJR (talk) 17:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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Pronunciation

Are we sure that စဝ် is pronounced /saʔ/? I'm not familiar with this word, and it isn't listed at [1], but I would have thought /sɔ̀/ or /sɔ́/ would be more likely. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 12:13, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Pinging @Hintha: in case this isn't on his watchlist. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 12:14, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

• Let me also answer since I'm the one who entered the current IPA. The word စဝ် is not a Burmese name or a common Burmese spelling. Though it's pronounced like စပ် in Burmese, I suspect the actual (Southern) Shan pronunciation is probably closer to the English transliteration of Sao. Now, as to why the Burmese pronunciation doesn't more closely follow the Shan one, one explanation I've heard--though from a non-Shan speaker--is that it sounds too similar to စောက်, a (mild) swear word in Burmese. Something like /sauʔ ʃwè θaiʔ/ or even /sao ʃwè θaiʔ/ would sound bad (or funny) to Burmese ears, and elicit groans/giggles. Now, to your point, could the Burmese pronunciation have been tweaked to စော (Saw, /sɔ́/) instead of စပ်? I suppose--especially since both Saw and Sao probably are related, and used to be royal titles. Alas, စဝ် is pronounced like စပ် in modern Burmese. Hybernator (talk) 19:48, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

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