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== Spanish language serial vandal ==

Administrators might want to have a look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/85.119.196.253 Creating quite a bit of clean-up and not a single productive edit as far as I can tell. [[User:Moebeus|Moebeus]] ([[User talk:Moebeus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:04, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
:  I found some older edits that were likely good faith.  Blocked for a month. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:12, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

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== Suspended, deleted and deactivated website accounts ==

I noticed items {{Q|49776568}}, {{Q|65684169}} and {{Q|56631052}} which are intended to be used as a reason for deprecation. However, I can't see a situation where any of these are a valid reason for deprecation. If the account was accurate, then instead {{P|582}} should be used as per [[Help:Deprecation]].

Would it be acceptable to re-purpose these items to represent the general concept of a deleted/deactivated/suspended account and instead use them with {{P|1552}}? --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

:Alternatively, perhaps a new qualifier "account status" is needed to make this information clearer? --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:09, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

== Property proposals for PoS blockchain cryptocurrencies ==

Hi, I recently discovered that while PoW currencies like Bitcoin are reasonably describable using our existing properties, I found that more were needed to accurately model PoS coins. I went ahead an created [[Wikidata:PP/GEN|a series of property proposals]]. You are very welcome to comment on them and support those you like. Thanks in advance.--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:07, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
:The property proposals page are quite full. This might take a while. --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:44, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

== [[Property talk:P5972]] has weird error message ==

{{Tracked|T246152}}
What is going on? At [[Property talk:P5972]] there is a really weird thing happening (see https://archive.is/gHEDf). The name of the page is shown as "Internal error", and the content of the page shows as <code><nowiki>"[XlxbPQpAMFkAABjowJAAAABC] 2020-03-02 01:02:53: Fatal exception of type "InvalidArgumentException"</nowiki></code>. The code of the page seems fine; I tried pasting it into my user page and previewing and this didn't happen. Trying to preview it on the actual doesn't work right. '''What is going on here?''' [[User:DemonDays64|DemonDays64]] | [[User talk:DemonDays64|Talk to me]] 01:06, 2 March 2020 (UTC) {{ppor}}
: trying a null edit did not work. [[User:DemonDays64|DemonDays64]] | [[User talk:DemonDays64|Talk to me]] 01:07, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
: Reported at [[phab:T246600]].--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:25, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

== Importing movie box office data of a single small distributor into wikidata ==

Hi! I was discussing this on my home wiki (huwiki) and I was advised to ask for your opinion. There is a small Hungarian indie movie distributor [[:d:Q28871739|Mozinet]] who regularly publish the box office and attendance data for the films they distribute on their website. For Hungary, this is a niche market and most of these data don't make it to the big box office reviews of other sources. to be able to use this as a source/reference for articles in huwiki, the page at https://www.mozinet.hu/hu/beveteli_adatok needs to be archived since they refresh the data weekly. The issue is that they publish the data in Google Docs, which archive.org or other archiving pages are not able to handle properly (tabs...). The question is:

* is it okay to use something like [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tools/OpenRefine/Editing/Tutorials/Basic_editing Openrefine] to import the csv 
* and if so, what kind of structure do you recommend to use?

I believe that copyright-wise this database qualifies as [https://edri.org/edrigramnumber2-22databases/ spin-off], so the data would be okay to copy. 

If the above cannot work, would you be able to advise for a solution?

Thank you in advance [[User:Teemeah|Teemeah]] ([[User talk:Teemeah|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:19, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
* Have you tried to engage them and ask them to publish the data in a format that archive.org can actually archive? It seems to me like it should be in their interest to have people engage with their data and their current solution is likely not intentional. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 18:46, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|ChristianKl}} It's a two person company, unlikely they will invest in finding another way of publishing the data just for our sake. (Not by chance they use free Google Docs for that). Especially that they would have to regularly be able to update that, hence the Google Doc solution, without having to pay a webmaster to do that work every week.  [[User:Teemeah|Teemeah]] ([[User talk:Teemeah|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

== Wikidata weekly summary #405 ==

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* '''Discussions'''
** Open request for adminship: [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Administrator/Kostas20142 2|Kostas20142]]

* '''[[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Events|Events]]'''
** March 7: [https://2020.openbelgium.be/civic-lab-summit Wikidata introductions and editathon] during OpenDataDay in Hasselt, Belgium
** July 2-4, Lisbon: [[:m:WikiData Days 2020|WikiData Days 2020]]. Call for proposals is open until April 15.
** Program submissions for the [[m:Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020|Celtic Knot Conference]] are open until March 30th. Submissions about languages on Wikidata, GLAM or supporting minority languages are very welcome.

* '''[[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Press coverage|Press, articles, blog posts]]'''
** Tutorial on how to use [[Wikidata:Pywikibot - Python 3 Tutorial/Machine learning with Wikidata|machine learning with Wikidata]].
**Bob DuCharme's blog post: [https://www.bobdc.com/blog/wd2so/ Populating a Schema.org dataset from Wikidata]
**About Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons:
*** [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Introduction_to_Structured_Data_on_Wikimedia_Commons.webm Explainer video with a beginner-level introduction about Structured Data on Commons]
*** [https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/26/connecting-the-work-of-three-generations-of-decorative-artists-with-structured-data/ Connecting the work of three generations of decorative artists, with structured data], by Sandra Fauconnier
*** [https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/28/structured-data-on-commons-and-glam-open-questions-and-fresh-challenges/ Structured Data on Commons and GLAM: open questions and fresh challenges], by Sandra Fauconnier
** [https://openrefine.org/blog/2020/02/20/2020-survey-results.html OpenRefine: results of the 2020 user survey]

* '''Tool of the week'''
** [https://angryloki.github.io/wikidata-graph-builder/ Wikidata graph builder] is a front-end on top of the Query service, allowing to easily build graphs.

* '''Other Noteworthy Stuff'''
** The [https://wmdeanalytics.wmflabs.org/WD_LanguagesLandscape/ Wikidata Languages Landscape dashboard] provides insights into the ways languages are organized and used in Wikidata and across the Wikimedia projects that reuse Wikidata.

* '''Did you know?'''
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** Newest [[d:Special:ListProperties|properties]]:
*** General datatypes: [[:d:Property:P7936|business model]], [[:d:Property:P7937|format of creative work]], [[:d:Property:P7938|associated electoral district]]
*** External identifiers: [[:d:Property:P7931|Adelsvapen ID]], [[:d:Property:P7932|Irish playography play ID]], [[:d:Property:P7934|Irish playography person ID]], [[:d:Property:P7935|Corpus Corporum author ID]], [[:d:Property:P7939|Dansk kvindebiografisk leksikon ID]], [[:d:Property:P7940|Adventure Gamers company ID]], [[:d:Property:P7941|Biografisch Woordenboek van Nederland: 1880-2000 ID]], [[:d:Property:P7942|NHLR ID]], [[:d:Property:P7943|The Washington Post writer ID]]
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** New [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Property proposal|property proposals]] to review:
*** General datatypes: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Type of bow used|Type of bow used]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/staking lock-up period|staking lock-up period]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/validator bond lock-up period|validator bond lock-up period]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/URL match pattern|URL match pattern]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Pertainym|Pertainym]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/cognate|cognate]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/symbol of|symbol of]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/transactions per month|transactions per month]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/compatible wallets|compatible wallets]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/minimum amount to run a validator|minimum amount to run a validator]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/minimum amount to participate in voting|minimum amount to participate in voting]]
*** External identifiers: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Kooora player ID|Kooora player ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Marvel Comics creators ID|Marvel Comics creators ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/DC Comics talent ID|DC Comics talent ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/EcuRed|EcuRed]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/IGCD fictional car ID|IGCD fictional car ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Chicago Landmarks ID|Chicago Landmarks ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/URL on Nintendo eShop|URL on Nintendo eShop]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/BC Register of Historic Places ID|BC Register of Historic Places ID]]
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** Query examples: 
*** [https://w.wiki/J8S Updated chart of the number of infections and deaths caused since the outbreak of SARS-CoV-2, as reported by the World Health Organisation]
*** [https://w.wiki/JU3 British Prime Ministers with children under the age of 5 when elected, or born during their time in office] ([https://twitter.com/heald_j/status/1233904114872000513 source])
*** [https://w.wiki/JWT Timeline of countries of origin of the winner of the European Film Award for Best European Film]
*** [https://w.wiki/JVT People with profiles on the ''Washington Post'' website]

* '''Development'''
** Started working on Federated Properties for Wikibase
** Bridge: more style adjustments
** Research on reference rendering for the Bridge ([[phab:T244987]])
** Disable WDQS jump to focus when used in an iframe ([[phab:T245637]])

[[phab:maniphest/query/4RotIcw5oINo/#R|You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here]]. If you want to help, you can also have a look at [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/71/query/zfiRgTnZF7zu/?filter=zfiRgTnZF7zu&order=priority the tasks needing a volunteer].

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** Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
** Comment on property proposals: [[d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Overview|all open proposals]]
** [[d:Wikidata:Contribute/Suggested and open tasks|Suggested and open tasks]]!
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== interwiki to/from the Incubator ==

A quick question: would it be okay to add interwikis like this: <nowiki>[[hu:incubator:Wn/hu/Luxemburg ingyenessé tette a tömegközlekedést]]</nowiki> to [[Q86746352]], i.e. in the case of Hungarian, pointing to the Incubator? - [[User:Xbspiro|Xbspiro]] ([[User talk:Xbspiro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
: I do not think it is technically possible--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:38, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Thanks for the quick answer. - [[User:Xbspiro|Xbspiro]] ([[User talk:Xbspiro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:54, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

== FreeDB closing again ==

https://www.gusnan.se/blog/programming/freedb-is-closing-its-service/ Altho its functionality has been mostly replaced by Musicbrainz and we have several properties to capture their database info, this is still of interest to those of us who care about free data. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 01:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

== Logos ==

The greyish spaces that appear in the left part of each statement on a given item are usually quite empty for they contain nothing more than the name of the property used by that statement, while the white spaces to their right has to fit in things that use much space – values, qualifiers and references, and possibly more than one of each. In that context, and because I sometimes feel that Wikidata is a bit visually dull, I wonder if someone could develop a little – otherwise useless – gadget that would display as a small image under the property name the value of {{P|154}} in the item of the value of the {{P|1629}} statement of the given property. In other words, on the {{Q|86957440}} item, the {{P|7943}} statement would display [[:File:The Logo of The Washington Post Newspaper.svg]] under 'The Washington Post contributor ID', for instance, because {{P|7943}} has {{Q|166032}} as its {{P|1629}} value and {{Q|166032}} has [[:File:The Logo of The Washington Post Newspaper.svg]] as its {{P|154}} value. Get it? It would pimp our items a little bit! Mostly in the 'Identifiers' section, I believe, which is actually nice, for that section does not get to display {{P|18}} and its subproperties. Maybe it would also help navigate faster through the longest lists of statements. [[User:Thierry Caro|Thierry Caro]] ([[User talk:Thierry Caro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:09, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
:I think it's frivolous and unnecessary. Wikidata is not meant to "look good" like an article. It's primarily a repository for machine-readable data, some of which gets digested and regurgitated by infoboxes and other outlets. The slap-dash hodge-podge of items, properties and qualifiers need not be grammatically correct, nor aesthetically pleasing. [[User:Animalparty|-Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

== Fate of [[Wikidata:Contribute/Suggested and open tasks]] ==

[https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Contribute/Suggested_and_open_tasks&action=history 90% of edits] to the page are vandalism but it hasn't changed much since its introduction. A link to it is in every [[Wikidata:Status updates/Next#Monthly Tasks|status update issue]], so it probably deserves an update and regular care. ([[w:Wikipedia:Task Center|Counterpart on the English Wikipedia]].) --[[User:Matěj Suchánek|Matěj Suchánek]] ([[User talk:Matěj Suchánek|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:54, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

:I added {{tl|outdated}}. From the content I tried to guess how outdated it is ..
:Maybe it could be made into something for [[Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2020/02#Wikidata_step-by-step]], but that met only limited interest as well. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 12:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

== Please allow me to add properties to {{Q|16555}} ==

I want to add {{P|1937}} of USHOU to {{Q|16555}} [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:28, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
: Why can't you add a property? The page is only semi-protected, so you should be able to edit it. -- [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|talk]]) 12:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Seems I can edit it now, dunno what was happening before. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:28, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
::: Perfect, my favourite problems are the ones that disappear :-) -- [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|talk]]) 02:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

== [[Help:Suggesters and selectors]] ==

In case you were wondering which one is which .. a gallery at [[Help:Suggesters and selectors]]. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 13:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

== How to check consensus before changing a property? ==

I want to add constraints to {{P|1937}} so it can only be used on {{P|31}} {{Q|515}}. Should I just go and do it? Should I seek consensus somehow? If so where? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:00, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
:Is there any indication at https://www.unece.org/cefact/locode/welcome.html that it is restricted to cities? If so, is the definition of city used for locode absolutely compatible with every other authority's idea of what is & is not a city. If you have any doubt about either of these things - and you should - then you should think again about your constraint. In general, you're best off announcing your intention on the talk page for the property & seeing if anyone has anything to say. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:09, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
::Oh look: mostly not cities: https://service.unece.org/trade/locode/gb.htm ... /why/ do you want to restrict a code system that applies much more widely than cities, to cities? --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:37, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

== Date of baptism/religion ==

When was the following alert added: "An entity with date of baptism in early childhood should also have a statement religion." Seems like a really bad idea. After all the religion that someone was baptised in as a baby may not be the one they espouse as an adult, and currently there is a standard that Religion should have at least two references, so it seems like there should be a degree of caution about urging people to add more Religion statements. [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:30, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
:I don't really see this as a problem: that ''is'' the religion at that time. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 03:04, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
::You are baptized into a religion, so yes, you should add the religion you are baptized into. If the religion changes you can add a start and end date. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
:::There's no standard that you need two references for {{P|P140}}. "In particular properties that are {{P|31}} {{Q|44597997}} should be supported by suitable references when applied to living people." talks about plural when talking about properties and a plural of references because it talks about multiple properties. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 10:50, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
::::{{P|P585}} could be used as a qualifier on religion, or (for more accuracy) the constraint should be changed to say religion should be used as a qualifier of {{P|P1636}}. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:00, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: Now, with that last part, I agree. Definitely it would be good to state what religion that baptism was ''as a qualifier''. But I am still reluctant to think that that baptism should be used as a Religion statement, not, at any rate, unless you also know something about the person's adult religion & can set an end date to their baptismal religion if they no longer followed it. Otherwise, you are at risk of letting unwarranted assumptions be made about a person -- should never assume their baptismal religion was their adult religion. [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:41, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::: If I remember correctly, there were periods in UK history (in the 17th century?) when parents were obliged to have children baptised in their local parish church (and even attend regularly?), even if they did not subscribe to the Anglican religious denomination (eg Quakers, Catholics, other non-conformists?).  So it may be that religious denomination (as a main statement) cannot necessarily be deduced from a baptism record, even for the point of time of the baptism, without additional evidence.  On the other hand, noting the denomination as a qualifier for the baptism statement seems harmless; though I am not sure I would go so far as to make it a requirement [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
*The property is mostly relevant when the date of birth can't be found. If the date is referenced, I'd expect it to include a church's registry. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

== The large game and natural history of South and South-East Africa ==

Can [[Q51498263]] and [[Q51498259]] be merged? They have different external ids, but they just refer to different scans of the same edition of the same book. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
:I would say yes? They don't appear to be different editions of the book. [[User:Animalparty|-Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:45, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Well, I merged them. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
:: And another at [[Q51422566]]. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

== Error saving wikipedia link ==

I've been trying to link {{Q|86927133}} to [[:en:Patricia Morgan (transgender woman)]], but all my attempts to make this happen have so far failed. Is there some problem I'm not aware of here? -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] ([[User talk:The Anome|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:28, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

{{re|The Anome}} Yes, the problem was that that the link was already included in an already existing, duplicate item ({{Q|86926980}}). I have [[Help:Merge|merged]] them and will perform any needed cleanup. Thanks for asking! --[[User:Kostas20142|Kostas20142]] ([[User talk:Kostas20142|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:36, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

:Thank you! Unfortunately the error message was completely uninformative: I should have checked for another version earlier. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] ([[User talk:The Anome|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:40, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|The Anome}} Did you receive the error message: {{tq|Could not save due to an error. The save has failed.}}? I know, it isn't the most informative messsage ever. However for future reference keep in mind that a common cause of this message is exactly this situation, the link already existing in another item. Either ways no worries, and thanks for finding this duplicate! --[[User:Kostas20142|Kostas20142]] ([[User talk:Kostas20142|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Yes, that was the message. I was sure I did a check first, but I think what must have happened was I was outraced by a bot which created the Wikidata item almost immediately after I created the Wikipedia article, and before I tried to make the item. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] ([[User talk:The Anome|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:55, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: If that is the common cause, shouldn't we change the error message? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:21, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: I think it is bad practice for a bot to create a new Wikidata item immediately (in this case 45 minutes) after the creation of Wikipedia article. In many cases there may already be an item for the subject, or,  as here, the creator of the article will create the item themselves. The bot should have waited. It seems this have given problems before according to [[Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Emijrpbot 6|the bot permission]] --[[User:Dipsacus fullonum|Dipsacus fullonum]] ([[User talk:Dipsacus fullonum|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:05, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::The message looks like a combination of [[MediaWiki:Wikibase-error-save-generic]] and [[MediaWiki:Wikibase-api-failed-save]]. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::It also happened to me when moving sitelinks at a time of high WD load. Often then the original link is deleted but the new one is not created. This was claimed to having been fixed but it still happens. --[[User:SCIdude|SCIdude]] ([[User talk:SCIdude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
:Would it be worth trying to encourage Wikipedias to show a pop-up to encourage article creators to look for a Wikidata item (perhaps with any suggestions), whenever a new article is created?  [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:28, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

== What wikidata project should I contact for queries regarding  {{P|1937}}? Should there not be some property assigned to properties to link them to wikiprojects? ==

I want to clarify the use of  {{P|1937}} but I don't know what project owns the property or who to ping in the question. Is there some simple way to find the project that owns the property? Could such a relation not be captured in the property itself? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
:There is {{P|6104}} just for this purpose, and I agree that it should be used more often. --[[User:SCIdude|SCIdude]] ([[User talk:SCIdude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:18, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

== Create Forms ==

Hello,

at the moment I think about how Wikidata can be made more userfriendly for people who are not so deep in the structures of Wikidata. I think forms are a way to create items easier and with the structure as needed for that. A tool to create forms is Cradle. In Cradle it is possible since a few weeks as far as I know to see the properties in the language of the user inferface. So it is now easy to use it also for people who speak another language. I for myself do not know all English Labels of the Properties and so this is very helpful. I think it were great if some of you would create forms for topics where the structure of the items is clear. I think this is helpful. After there are a lot of things who dont have a clear structure a page where the structures how the items should look like are documentated in a way what is easy to understand would be helpful. --[[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:20, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
* {{ping|Hogü-456}} Will that do significantly more in terms of language than the right settings in [[Help:Navigating Wikidata/User Options#Language settings]]? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jmabel}} Cradle is a Tool. So as far as I know this is independent of the settings for the language in Wikidata. From my point of view the change in Cradle improved the possibilities to create items. -- [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:55, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
::*@Jmabel: see [[Wikidata:Glossary#Cradle]]. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:12, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
*If there are fields that you think could benefit from a form, you could ask at the relevant WikiProject. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:12, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

== B. J. Elder: duplicate items ==

Hello! Items Q86837071 (B. J. Elder) and Q3631677 (B.J. Elder) are about the same person. The second one (Q3631677) was already present, while the first was automatically created when I created the corresponding article on en.wiki ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._J._Elder here]). These items should be unified – also, the second item includes a categorization of Elder as a volleyball player, for unknown reasons, and cites a wrong birthdate. Since I've never actually edited on Wikidata before I prefer to write here instead of potentially making a mess! Thank you! --[[User:Triple 8~enwiki|Triple 8~enwiki]] ([[User talk:Triple 8~enwiki|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
* {{ping|Triple 8~enwiki}} It looks like [[User:Trade]] has taken care of the merge already. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:36, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

== How to indicate that a construction has been demolished (Barrage de Vézins) ==

This dam [https://rewildingeurope.com/blog/free-flow-rewilding-rivers-through-barrier-removal/ has been demolished]. How do you indicate that? Thanks, [[User:GerardM|GerardM]] ([[User talk:GerardM|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

:{{P|576}}; {{claim|"foo"|5816|56556915}}; {{claim|"foo"|793|331483}}, end-dating claims, &c. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:09, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

== Bach Prelude 1 Well tempered clavier vol 1 suggestions for edit ==

The following measures need to be included and edited with the following corrections:

* m28 is missing
* 26 GEGCE from bass to treble
* 25 GFGBD from bass to treble
* 24 A-flat F B C D bass to treble
*  23 E-flat in bass and G in bass instead of what is written .

--{{Unsigned2|19:00, March 3, 2020‎|Awilson1272}}

* {{ping|Awilson1272}} Are you referring to {{Q|4376908}}? I don't see any structured data here with musical notation though. Perhaps you are looking at something on a different Wikimedia project? Please provide a link! [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:13, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
*:Possibly the PDF. There are different versions of the prelude, according to [[:en:Prelude_and_Fugue_in_C_major,_BWV_846#Schwencke_Measure]]. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:53, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

== Please help with this week's error list ==

Please help with this week's error list at [[Wikidata:Database reports/items with P569 greater than P570]], the Peerage has many errors, either just wrong at their site, or people with similar names conflated or just completely wrong people combined by human error. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:44, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:I have noticed that one the many problems and headaches caused by The Peerage import is that, on rare occasions, birth & death dates seem to get conflated if an item is a redirect to another on a Wikipedia. Like if an unremarkable son on en-Wikipedia is a redirect to his famous father, the vital dates of the father may be applied to the son, or vice versa. I have not investigated this closely, but it's something to watch out for. [[User:Animalparty|-Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:47, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::Is there someone at the Peerage that we report errors on their side to? Or do we have a page setup to keep track of errors from their side, like we do for VIAF? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:08, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:::It looks like there has been more than one import. Sometimes names and dates may be corrected, but they also have pages with warnings saying that they are under construction and probably contain errors, and these have been used as sources, both in the import and in Mix'n'match, which seems to be older data. Also when the site removes an entry the same identifier may be used for a different person, so {{Q|Q76213523}} is "named as Charles Roger Lupton" because #609239 was previously a conflation of {{Q|Q5080395}} and {{Q|Q75864909}} - I don't know if this only applies to "under construction" pages, or to all pages. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:16, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: There is only about 100 current errors but that is using the detection method of people who died before they were born. I am sure there are more subtle errors. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:56, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )}} Worth noting that if you make very poor decisions when "correcting" data, as you did [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q93122&type=revision&diff=1075040245&oldid=1073560647 here] when you presumed that the DoB and DoD were transposed (in fact the problem was an erroneous DoB by 1 century), then you just make things worse. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:08, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
*I have corrected over 1,000 of these errors and occasionally I will make a mistake, so there is really no need for the sarcastic tone and the scare quotes with "you make very poor decisions when 'correcting' data." That is 999 errors corrected and one error transformed into another error. No data set is error free and correcting errors can introduce new errors, that is just how information theory works. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:23, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
::It suggests you're working on the basis of your assumptions, rather than checking the data against sources. That will not end well. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

== Suggested metrology properties: "quantity symbol" and "unit of measurement" ==

Hello. Physical quantities and units are an important aspect of scientific communication as they are the means to represent quantitative results. As a simple example, the physical quantity [[Q11402|force]], with [[Property:P416|quantity symbol]] <math>F</math>, can be defined by the formula <math>F = m a</math>, with mass <math>m</math> and acceleration <math>a</math>. The number of physical (and chemical, biological, ...) quantities is in principle unlimited, because any relation between quantities gives rise to new ones. Having one item for each quantity mentioned in the literature - with label and description in each language - with sufficient information to determine with certainty which quantity the item represents, will help with the unambiguous communication across language barriers in the scientific context.

Take for instance the quantities [[Q107780|luminous flux]], [[Q104831|luminous intensity]], [[Q355386|luminance]], [[Q194411|illuminance]], ... Those are all quantities related to light, but each has their own, distinct definition. They have "radiant ..." counterparts, covering more than just the visible spectrum of light. Properties that are important for correctly identifying a quantity include a [[Property:P2534|formula]], the [[Property:P4020|quantity dimension]], the quantity symbol and the unit of measurement. The representation of the latter two in Wikidata is currently suboptimal, in my opinion.

I'm writing to encourage people interested in metrology and science to participate in the discussion and creation of the following two properties:
* [[Wikidata:Property proposal/quantity symbol|quantity symbol]]: Seems to have consensus already.
* [[Wikidata:Property proposal/unit of measurement|unit of measurement]]: That one is more tricky, please check the extended motivation as to why this is useful.

(The latter has one "oppose", but since then I have extended the motivation based on literature research and my experience so far in improving quantities and units in Wikidata.)

Thanks. [[User:Toni 001|Toni 001]] ([[User talk:Toni 001|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:52, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

== Storage space for WikiBase sandbox ==

Hi, 

I'm with a large U.S. university library and we are looking to set up a WikiBase instance for experimentation. We are currently assessing hardware and software requirements. Thanks to the excellent and simple documentation on the [https://wikiba.se/install/ WikiBase site], we are aware that we will need a minimum of 4GB of RAM and 6GB of disk space for an for an ''empty'' base. 

However, what are the recommendations for a sizeable sandbox? We know of several initiatives in the US and in Europe that have experimented and even adopted WikiBase but we cannot determine their storage specs. Any idea on what these might be? Even better, is there a rough estimate of the storage reqs for record anyone can provide? Thanks in advance for any advice.

Kindly,
Digitalibrarian
: Wikidata with close to 100 million items seems to have a total of about 1.5 TB of changes since it started, [https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/wikidata.org/content/net-bytes-difference/normal|bar|all|~total|monthly based on this graph]. From [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2019-June/013109.html this email]. the RDF dump for Wikidata (as of almost a year ago) is about 350 GB. That suggests sizes around 10-20 kB per item; presumably you need a small multiple of that to have things run comfortably. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Given how cheap drives are these days, those numbers are effectively tiny. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

== Open sourcing "wiki-slurpee" a tool for scraping data from google ==

Awhile back I posted here about a browser extension I was working on for scraping Google's knowledge graph data into Wikidata. Now it's open source and available.

* [https://github.com/derenrich/wiki-slurpee Github repo]
* [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/wiki-slurpee/fkgnbcdfnibcnbgloagfdgdfncccilnc Extension on the chrome web store]

As a reminder it makes edits that look like [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5324632&type=revision&diff=1130514775&oldid=971054830 this] and that edits made by the tool should be hand audited for accuracy.

Feel free to use it, contribute to it or request features.

[[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:13, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:Can you add a {{P|P2671}} qualifier to the references? It is otherwise pretty difficult to verify your edits. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{re|MisterSynergy}} sure, I can do it like [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q22906632&type=revision&diff=1130570899&oldid=1130512826 this] but it seems that's not possible to do for freebase ids (it yells at me when I try to add a {{P|P646}} to a reference). But for now at least I am already adding the freebase/gkg ids as a primary property. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:42, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:::More [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q22906632&type=revision&diff=1130588761&oldid=1130570899 like this], I guess. Your [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5324632&type=revision&diff=1130514775&oldid=971054830 inital example] does not include a {{P|P2671}} statement, thus I'm asking. Anyways, it would be great if you could add complete references (at least {{P|P248}}, external-id property, {{P|P813}}) to all statements which you add. Freebase shouldn't be a problem either, tbh. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:09, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
::::Ah, ok yeah I can do that. Yeah sometimes for technical reasons I cannot get the actual ID but I add it whenever it's available along with a timestamp. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:26, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Would it be possible for you to add support for Spotify, Play Music, Deezer and TuneIn? Those are the ones you typically see when you google musicians. --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:[https://github.com/derenrich/wiki-slurpee/issues/2 sure] [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

== Wikiproject for error detection and tracking ==

Is there a Wikiproject that concentrates on error detection and tracking? I want to group all the error detection searches in one place and have one place that tracks all the lists of errors that need to be corrected at the source, and who to contact at the source. We have searches for people with the same first and last name, people who died before they were born. Dopplegangers that need to be merged and a few other error detectors. If there isn't one already I will create one. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:59, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:We have [[Wikidata:WikiProject Data Quality]] for such things. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] ([[User talk:Daniel Mietchen|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:50, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
::Just what I am looking for thanks! --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

== Please fix format constraint of P3088 ==

See [[Q15439309]], it seems that the ID of [[Property:P3088|P3088]] alowed the format "Kew-\d{5}". --[[User:Koala0090|Koala0090]] ([[User talk:Koala0090|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:It seems to be the correct ID. If there is only this one, it should probably be added as an exception to the constraint. If there are many more, a change to the constraint would be better. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:28, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Peter James}} See also: [[Q15438489]] and [[Q15439309]] ---[[User:Koala0090|Koala0090]] ([[User talk:Koala0090|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:31, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

== entry for one thing or another? ==

What's the right way to handle a Wikipedia article that basically refers to one of two different things, ambiguously?

The English Wikipedia article '''[[w:Calorie|Calorie]]''' refers to either the "physics" calorie or the "food" calorie (= 1000 physics calories).  That ambiguity is reflected in the label of the corresponding entity here, {{Q|130964}}, which says "unit of energy with different values".

But [[Q130964]] is trying to be two things at once.  Its description says, and it's tied to a Wikipedia article that says, that we might be talking about one thing or the other.  But most/all of the rest of the claims at [[Q130964]] are clearly talking specifically about the "physics" calorie -- that is, the rest of the entity is ''not'' something with "different values", it's trying to talk about just one.  And clearly we ought to have distinct entities that each unambiguously talk about exactly one kind of calorie.

So I believe we need three different entities:
# one describing the "physics" calorie
# one describing the "food" calorie (this is clearly already {{Q|26708069}})
# one disambiguating between the two, which can be properly tied to [[w:Calorie]].

It's probably safest for (1) to remain [[Q130964]], and for (3) to be a new entity, and for the [[w:Calorie]] sitelink (and some/all of the other sitelinks) to be removed from [[Q130964]], and attached to the new entity.  I suspect there are existing entities linking to [[Q130964]] as the "physics" calorie, but I don't know how to track them down.  I suspect there are few if any existing entities linking to [[Q130964]] as a deliberately ambiguous item.

What I ''don't'' know is how to link (3) to (1) and (2).  I could give it two {{P|1889}} claims, but that's not quite right, because it's more the same as them than it's different from them.  I could give it two {{P|527}} claims, but that's not quite right, either.  Really I want a property that says "One of the things this ambiguous name might refer to is...", but I don't think we have (nor am I suggesting we add) that strangely specific property.  But do we have anything that's close?

(Note, by the way, that there's actually another sort of disambiguating entity lurking in the wings here, {{Q|16768157}}, but that's clearly a different animal, not usable for (1), (2), or (3).)

This situation is similar to (but not really the same as) the "Bonnie and Clyde" problem, I guess.  (It's sort of "Bonnie ''or'' Clyde".) —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
: Maybe use {{Q|21484471}} for the mixed up Wikipedia article which isn't a disambiguation? [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Aha!  Or maybe even {{Q|37152856}}.  Thanks. —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:32, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
::: Hmm, do we really need two such items? [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:51, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: I wouldn't have thought so, and I'm hard-pressed to see the distinction between them.  A quick check shows we have 263 instances of [[Q21484471]], and just 16 instances of [[Q37152856]].  Some of them, at least, should probably be moved to {{Q|4167410}}, for example [[Q83875275]] and [[Q84085731]]). —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

: Anyway, it's done: {{Q|87260855}}. —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

== Countries with 50 years pma OR LONGER ==

[[Q87048619]] seems quite useless. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:45, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

:It appears to be used here - [[Help:Copyrights/Groupings of jurisdictions]] - thus rendering your assertion false. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Tagishsimon}} I'm not sure how the fact that a bot is scraping it makes it obviously useful, especially because the bot is finding no countries to associate with it. Am I missing something? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Possibly {{ping|SandraF (WMF)}} can comment. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:50, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure, but pinging {{ping|Hannolans}} who's one of the masterminds behind [[Help:Copyrights]]. Cheers, [[User:SandraF (WMF)|SandraF (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SandraF (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:15, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::We have {{Q|Q60845045}} and {{Q|Q59542795}}, and this is for the 50 years. We need longer and shorter to qualify {{P|P7763}}. longer is used for copyright protected status, shorter for public domain status. 50 years pma or longer could also be {{Q|Q72970347}}. Not sure what is better. Another point: I'm not sure if the 'and longer' and 'and shorter' are good concepts to create copyright status lists per legislation. Probably we could better write as jurisdiction two values in the qualifier, or two values for the property: 'countries with 50 pma' and 'countries with 70 pma' and 'US'? I modelled it here {{Q|Q151679}}--[[User:Hannolans|Hannolans]] ([[User talk:Hannolans|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:21, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

== what's wrong with this query? ==

{{Q|2195}} is an instance of {{Q|21484471}}.  (In fact it's the model entry for that class.)  But the query

{{SPARQL|query=SELECT ?id ?idLabel WHERE {
	?id wdt:P31 wd:Q21484471
	SERVICE wikibase:label {
	    bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" .
   }
}
}}

does ''not'' find [[Q2195]].  What am I doing wrong?  (Or is there a query service help page I should be asking this question on?) —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:33, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Scs}} That'll be to do with statement ranks on the various P31 values. Conflation is marked as preferred, meaning it will be the only response to a wdt: query. (see also [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing/RDF_Dump_Format#Statement_types this].) Try:
::{{SPARQL|query=SELECT ?id ?idLabel WHERE {
	?id p:P31 [ps:P31 wd:Q21484471] .
	SERVICE wikibase:label {
	    bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" .
   }
}
}} --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

::: Oh!  Wow.  Thanks.  I shall have to study this.  (I confess I don't really understand that syntax <tt>p:P31 [ps:P31 wd:Q21484471]</tt>.)
::: Actually, I guess I need to learn more about "rank" in general.  (And it occurs to me to wonder: could rank be part of the answer to the ongoing question of whether Atlanta is located in the administrative territorial entity of DeKalb County, or Fulton County, or the state of Georgia?) —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:40, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Scs}} I've recycled a couple of talk page responses, dealing with qualifiers and references, and truthy/non-truthy statements, which might help you understand both the weird syntax, and the absence & means of finding Q2195, at [[User:Tagishsimon/WDQS]]. Meanwhile [[Wikidata:Request a query]] is probably the best place to bring WDQS questions. hth --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:28, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

::::: {{re|Tagishsimon}} Thanks, and Wow again.
::::: I'm reminded of the old story about the {{Q|1218005}}.  You've got this nice explanation (which I do hope to wrap my head around) of the rather complicated situation from the perspective of RDF and SPARQL queries and Wikidata's actual data structures.  Me, so far my own -- no less complicated but rather different -- understanding of all of this comes from working almost exclusively with the JSON representation in the dumps, which give a very different perspective...
::::: )And in the meantime I think I have to go back to {{Q|46107}} and figure out how to give one of the P31 statements a "preferred" rank, because I think this answers the question now archived at [[Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2020/02#time-varying P31]].) —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Scs}} Done that ... it's the up & down arrows to the left of the value field. Good luck with SPARQL; don't think it'll take you long, but you must grok the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing/RDF_Dump_Format#Data_model data model]. :)  --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:33, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

== Automatically add and fill qualifier of a property based on content of the item in it? ==

<small>I asked about this a while ago at [[Property talk:P5972#Automatically fill language of work or name (P407)]] but nobody replied and it's been two months, so I'd like to ask again.</small>

The property {{P|5972}} is controversial (to understate it), but it's to my knowledge been at least for now agreed upon (see [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion&oldid=950463144#translation_(P5972) deletion discussion]) that it is a mildly acceptable way to link lexemes because we don't have a good consensus on stuff like whether verbs should have items to link them together.

So {{P|5972}} is a property I end up using a lot when making Spanish lexemes that already have English equivalents. However, there is one problem that makes it a lot slower to use and add to many lexemes quickly: to make the translations say what language they are in without having to click the links and navigate away, one must manually add a value for {{P|407}} each time, slowing down the process of adding this already rather unwieldy property to lexemes.

As each instance of {{P|5972}} contains a value that is a lexeme sense, '''is there some way that this property could be changed to automatically show a value of {{P|407}} on it that is equal to the language of the lexeme linked in it?''' I am not technically knowledgeable enough to understand how this would work or why it could not, but if it did this this property would be a lot faster to use to help to make navigation between lexemes meaning the same thing easy. Thanks! [[User:DemonDays64|DemonDays64]] | [[User talk:DemonDays64|Talk to me]] 23:09, 7 March 2020 (UTC) {{ppor}}

*I'd rather try to tweak to the GUI for property values that are senses. Even if no glos is present in the user's language, the lemma should be displayed. Not sure if anything will happen, as I'm not aware of any recent development for lexemes. Maybe the qualifier could be a solution. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 08:50, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Requests for comment ==

Hello,

Is there something to do in [[:Category:Requests for comment not added to summary page by requestor]]? [[User:Visite fortuitement prolongée|Visite fortuitement prolongée]] ([[User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Bishop Otter College ==

Bishop Otter College was founded in 1839. In 1977, it merged with Bognor Regis Training College and became the University of Chichester. This history is discussed on the Wikipedia page for the University, and [[w:Bishop Otter College]] redirects to [[w:University of Chichester]]. I think, though, it would be best to have separate WD items for the institutions. My questions are: 1. Should I link the item for BOC to the WP redirct page in some way? 2. What is the correct way to write the statement "merged with X to become Y?" [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:48, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:Yes,  Bishop Otter College should have its own item, as a distinct entity, not simply a name change. Unfortunately, it seems there are no "correct ways" of doing anything on Wikidata: it's the wild west with little guidance and lots of chaos so whatever works best, I say do that. Relevant properties for former institutions include {{P|7888}}, {{P|1366}} and {{P|156}}. A redirect on Wikipedia can be attached to a Wikidata item by temporarily removing the redirect (e.g. delete the "<code>#REDIRECT</code>") and then linking the page to its corresponding Wikidata item. [[User:Animalparty|-Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:06, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Q5003624 vs Q15077340 vs Q4989906 ==

{{Q|Q5003624}} vs '''{{Q|Q15077340}}''' vs {{Q|Q4989906}}. {{Q|Q15077340}} seems to lie between the other two somehow, but I can't seem to figure out how, can someone change the description to make it clearer how it differs from the other two? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:36, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

== Wikimedian photographer details on Structured Commons ==

Hello. I'm trying to add {{P|P170}} to photographs which I uploaded to Commons (as [[:File:Screenshot of various structured data statements of a photograph of sugar cubes.png|shown here]]). Then I realised that, in order to do that, we need an item about the particular user. I've looked at [[WD:N]] and also stumbled across [[Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2018/07#Items_about_Wikimedians|this discussion from 2018]], but cannot decide if creating items for users is allowed. Looking at [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Q41546637|this list]], I've concluded that it is probably allowed. But when attempting to create the item, I get a warning "''Per Wikidata notability policy adding links to userpages or userspace is not allowed''". What am I missing? If creating a user-item is not allowed, any suggestion on how to add P170? The goal here is to fill structured data on Commons. Appreciate any clarity on this. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 10:56, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
: {{ping|Rehman}} See [[c:Commons_talk:Structured_data/Modeling/Author#Getting_authorship_started]].--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you for the link, [[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]]. It's a pity that discussion was mostly inconclusive. It was going somewhere, and then basically died down without feedback. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 02:54, 9 March 2020 (UTC) 
::: <small>(Copied from the Wikimedia Commons village pump as it would be more relevant here.)</small> I have seen several Wikimedia Commons photographers add a creator link, for example [https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42790984 this Wikidata page] of {{Noping|Benoît Prieur}} which they use for authorship information on Wikimedia Commons. I see no reason to exclude Wikimedians who wish to include themselves like this on Wikidata, as this would actually make it easier for them to include authorship information and attribution information on Wikimedia Commons, this would make it within Wikidata's scope as it fulfills a structural need for another project. --<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;">[[User:Donald Trung|<font style="color:#FFFF00;background:red;">'''&nbsp;Donald Trung/徵國單&nbsp;'''</font>]]</span> ([[User talk:Donald Trung|討論 🀄]]) ([[w:nl:Gebruiker:Donald Trung/Mijn werk 🏢|方孔錢 💴]])  18:47, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
::: Call me a pessimist, but I think eventually, inevitably, the Wikidata "notability" dam will break and anyone who has ever posted a photo, tweeted a tweet, made a Facebook account, or had their name in a yearbook, phone book, or website anywhere will be eligible for inclusion, whether they want it or not. Data demands ever more data. [[User:Animalparty|-Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:02, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

== CDP and cdp.pl mess ==

{{Q|1023212}} ([https://cdp.com.pl/]) is a publisher and distributor formerly known as CD Projekt. {{Q|29647153}} ([https://cdp.pl/]) is a shop founded CD Projekt (i.e. CDP of today) and is currently own by Merlin Commerce (these guys: {{Q|11777491}}), not by CDP.

Q1023212 wrongly lists articles, logos and info concerning both CDP and cdp.pl.

[[User:SMiki55|SMiki55]] ([[User talk:SMiki55|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:43, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

== Wikidata weekly summary #406 ==

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* '''Discussions'''
** Closed request for adminship: [[d:user:Fralambert|Fralambert]], [[d:user:Kostas20142|Kostas20142]], welcome on board!
** New request for comments: [[d:Wikidata:Requests for comment/Restrictions on making items|Restrictions on making items]]

* '''[[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Events|Events]]'''
** [[m:WikiGap Challenge|WikiGap Challenge]], online editing challenge to improve the coverage of women on Wikipedia and Wikidata, from March 8th to April 8th

* '''[[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Press coverage|Press, articles, blog posts]]'''
** ''[https://arxiv.org/pdf/2003.00719.pdf Knowledge Graphs on the Web -- an Overview]'' - Nicolas Heist, et al.
*** Some issues with this paper's reporting of Wikidata are identified in [https://twitter.com/fnielsen/status/1235261045998002177 this Twitter thread]
** [https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/03/04/lists-in-the-wikimedia-movement-part-3-the-list-revolution-creating-dynamic-lists-using-linked-data/ The List Revolution: Creating dynamic lists using linked data], by Alex Stinson

* '''Tool of the week'''
** [https://github.com/maxlath/wikibase-cli wikibase-cli] ([[d:Q87194660|Q87194660]]) now (>= v9.2.0) has a [https://github.com/maxlath/wikibase-cli/blob/master/docs/write_operations.md#batch-mode batch mode], and [https://github.com/maxlath/wikibase-cli/blob/master/docs/write_operations.md#edit-group EditGroups support] (auto-activated for batch edits targeting Wikidata): ready to make some mass edit, and open for [https://github.com/maxlath/wikibase-cli/issues feedback]!

* '''Other Noteworthy Stuff'''
** The [[m:Grants:Conference/Wikidata Con 2019/Report|WikidataCon 2019 grant report]] has been published
** [https://equalstreetnames.brussels/ EqualStreetNames.Brussels] shows streets in Brussels named after men and women, visualized with data from OpenStreetMap and Wikidata

* '''Did you know?'''
<!-- NEW PROPERTIES DO NOT REMOVE -->
** Newest [[d:Special:ListProperties|properties]]:
*** General datatypes: none
*** External identifiers: [[:d:Property:P7943|The Washington Post contributor ID]], [[:d:Property:P7944|DoME artist ID]], [[:d:Property:P7945|ArchiWebture ID]], [[:d:Property:P7946|Museu de Memes ID]], [[:d:Property:P7947|WeChangEd ID]], [[:d:Property:P7948|GreatSchools ID]], [[:d:Property:P7949|Czech War Graves Register]], [[:d:Property:P7950|Marvel Comics creators ID]], [[:d:Property:P7951|DC Comics talent ID]], [[:d:Property:P7952|The First Amendment Encyclopedia ID]], [[:d:Property:P7953|Indiegogo project ID]], [[:d:Property:P7954|RealGM basketball coach ID]], [[:d:Property:P7955|Global Music Rights work ID]], [[:d:Property:P7956|SESAC work number]], [[:d:Property:P7957|Directory of Maîtres d'art]], [[:d:Property:P7958|Chicago Landmarks ID]]
<!-- END NEW PROPERTIES -->
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** New [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Property proposal|property proposals]] to review:
*** General datatypes: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/SIUSA archive conservator ID|SIUSA archive conservator ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/ToposText IDs|ToposText IDs]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/content partnership category|content partnership category]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/eligible award recipient|eligible award recipient]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/NetBSD package|NetBSD package]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/OpenBSD port|OpenBSD port]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Number of recoveries|Number of recoveries]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/footedness|footedness]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/HTML autocomplete attribute|HTML autocomplete attribute]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/SoloTutes|SoloTutes]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/see talk page discussion at|see talk page discussion at]]
*** External identifiers: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/BC Register of Historic Places ID|BC Register of Historic Places ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Encyclopédie sur le développement des jeunes enfants ID|Encyclopédie sur le développement des jeunes enfants ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/RFI Musique ID|RFI Musique ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Moravian Lives|Moravian Lives]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/EL|EL]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Dictionnaire des femmes de l’ancienne France ID|Dictionnaire des femmes de l’ancienne France ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Google Scholar case ID|Google Scholar case ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/TaDiRAH ID|TaDiRAH ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Movie Review Query Engine ID|Movie Review Query Engine ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/SkiMo Stats ID|SkiMo Stats ID]]
<!-- END NEW PROPOSALS -->
** Query examples: 
*** [https://w.wiki/JzU Subjects and panelists of the BBC radio programme ''In Our Time''] ([https://twitter.com/generalising/status/1236720206485114882 source])
*** [https://w.wiki/JzZ People affected by COVID-19]
*** [https://w.wiki/K4A Map of hillforts in the UK] ([https://twitter.com/jnicho02/status/1235184841139859456 source])
*** [https://w.wiki/K4C Images for language items] ([https://twitter.com/ash_crow/status/1234564431625019392 source])

* '''Development'''
** Querying the URL datatype with haswbstatement is now possible ([[phab:T243693]]). It will take two to three months before URLs are indexed for all Wikidata items.
** Wikidata Bridge: more style fixes, preparing a prototype to show how we will display references
** Fixing various production errors
** Monitoring the run of wb_terms migration
** Fixing an issue with the Commons files search field ([[phab:T196165]])

[[phab:maniphest/query/4RotIcw5oINo/#R|You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here]]. If you want to help, you can also have a look at [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/71/query/zfiRgTnZF7zu/?filter=zfiRgTnZF7zu&order=priority the tasks needing a volunteer].

* '''Monthly Tasks'''
** Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
** Comment on property proposals: [[d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Overview|all open proposals]]
** [[d:Wikidata:Contribute/Suggested and open tasks|Suggested and open tasks]]!
** Contribute to a [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Showcase items|Showcase item]].
** Help [[d:Special:LanguageStats|translate]] or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
** [[d:User:Pasleim/projectmerge|Help merge identical items]] across Wikimedia projects.
** Help [[d:Wikidata:Status updates/Next|write the next summary!]]
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== 82,250,088 Wikidata pages ==

Somewhere last year I noticed [https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Statistics on this page] that there were about 60,000,000 (sixty-million) Wikidata pages but this has grown with around 20,000,000 (twenty-million) pages in a relatively short amount of time, is there a specific reason for this explosive growth? And where can I find more detailed statistics about the content created and how many items belong to what type of data? I honestly find it curious how quickly Wikidata grows in the millions surpassing even Wikimedia Commons in number of pages in such a short amount of time. 

How many of these pages are bot-created Vs. Human-created? It's quite interesting and exciting seeing Wikidata grow so quickly in such a short time span. --<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;">[[User:Donald Trung|<font style="color:#FFFF00;background:red;">'''&nbsp;Donald Trung/徵國單&nbsp;'''</font>]]</span> ([[User talk:Donald Trung|討論 🀄]]) ([[w:nl:Gebruiker:Donald Trung/Mijn werk 🏢|方孔錢 💴]])  20:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

* [https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/000000154/wikidata?orgId=1 This Grafana dashboard] is a good entry point for detailed statistics around Wikidata; there are also valuable links to external tools provided.
* Most activity here is automated in some way, and this also applies to item creations. I'd be surprised if more than 5% of item creations were done manually.
* Particularly {{Q|Q6999}} items have been amassed since early November (from 400k to 5.8M). Not sure whether scientific article items are created in large numbers currently as well.
—[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:54, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

== Unable to connect a WP article ==

Hi. For some reason, I can't connect item Q87411076 with French WP article [[:fr:Forte (film)]]. Maybe it's because it's already connected to an item but I couldn't find it and that's why I created that one. Any help? --[[User:TwoWings|TwoWings]] ([[User talk:TwoWings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:13, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|TwoWings}} It's already at [[Q86724751]]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:16, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

:(EC) [https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forte_(film)&action=info "Page information"] in Wikipedia helps you to find the Wikidata item; the keyboard shortcut "Shift+Alt+G" on a Wikipedia article page also brings you to the Wikidata item. Here, it is {{Q|Q86724751}}, which I [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:Merge|merged]] with your new creation. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:19, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
== Maxvals & inverted ==

Hi,
I have two question :

First question : 

<nowiki>{{#invoke:wd|properties|normal+|Q55|P1082}}</nowiki> display :"{{#invoke:wd|properties|normal+|Q55|P1082}}", 

how can I display just three first number for to have just : "17,181,084, 16,829,289, 16,779,575" ?

I have unsuccessfully tested "maxvals" and "numval" : 

<nowiki>{{#invoke:wd|properties|normal+|Q55|P1082|maxvals=3}}</nowiki>  (display ever :"{{#invoke:wd|properties|normal+|Q55|P1082|maxvals=3}}")

and

<nowiki>{{#invoke:wd|properties|normal+|Q55|P1082|numval=3}}</nowiki> (display ever :"{{#invoke:wd|properties|normal+|Q55|P1082|numval=3}}")



Second question :

<nowiki>{{#invoke:wd|properties|normal+|Q55|P1082}}</nowiki> display :"{{#invoke:wd|properties|normal+|Q55|P1082}}",   

how can I to reverse the chronological order for to display : "17,132,854 17,000,000, 10,026,773, 16,779,575, 16,829,289, 17,181,084" ?

I have unsuccessfully tested "sorttype = inverted" : 

<nowiki>{{#invoke:wd|properties|normal+|Q55|P1082|sorttype = inverted}}</nowiki>  (display ever :"{{#invoke:wd|properties|normal+|Q55|P1082|sorttype = inverted}}")

Thanks, --[[User:Viruscorona2020|Viruscorona2020]] ([[User talk:Viruscorona2020|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:56, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

: <del>Which module (on which wiki) are you referring to?</del> Perhaps consult this with its maintainer. --[[User:Matěj Suchánek|Matěj Suchánek]] ([[User talk:Matěj Suchánek|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:38, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
: Ah, it's [[module:wd]] here. Its home is on enwiki, so better ask there. --[[User:Matěj Suchánek|Matěj Suchánek]] ([[User talk:Matěj Suchánek|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:42, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Thanks [[User:Matěj Suchánek|Matěj Suchánek]] I'm gonna try the module.
::My project is to do this table on page https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Épidémie_de_maladie_à_coronavirus_de_2020_en_France#Localisation_des_cas to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_France. --[[User:Viruscorona2020|Viruscorona2020]] ([[User talk:Viruscorona2020|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

== Complete MathSciNet ID and Mathematics Genealogy Project ID from each other ==

We have countless entries for mathematicians (et al.) with either {{P|549}} or {{P|889}}. Both of these are [[:w:American Mathematical Society|AMS]] projects and often link to one another, for instance [https://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=78459 MGP:78459] and [https://mathscinet.ams.org/mathscinet/search/author.html?mrauthid=82830 MR:82830]. Would it be possible to have a bot essentially web-scrap and complete one from the other? --[[User:Bender235|Bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:55, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
: Technically it doesn't look difficult, although you'd be violating the [https://mathscinet.ams.org/mathscinet/help/mathscinet_terms_of_use.html?version=2 terms of use] at MathSciNet. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:36, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
: There don't seem to be any anti-bot provisions on the Mathematics Genealogy Project / North Dakota State University site, however. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
: I'll have a go at setting the {{P|4955}} values (not P889), extracted from the Mathematics Genealogy Project. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:25, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

== Creating a property for Zodiac sign ==

Such a property could be useful when you know someone's zodiac sign but not their exact date of birth. What do you others think?--[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:Really bad idea. Can be derived from whatever date range you enter for the DoB. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:02, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:::It would make it infinitely easier to query people with specific zodiac signs. After all, many people are interested in astrology. --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:44, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
::::Yes. Ascribing completely bollocks information to items normally makes it easier to query for the completely bollocks data. Compelling argument. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:02, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

::We should be using reliable sources. I wonder if [[User:Trade|Trade]] can give an example of any person where there is a reliable source for the person's zodiac sign, but not for the person's date of birth. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:25, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:::It's not exactly an rare thing when it comes to fictional characters. [https://sims.fandom.com/wiki/Zodiac_sign The Sims video game series is a good example of that.] --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:44, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:*I tend to agree with this, although it does raise an interesting point, if we wanted this derivation to be represented in the data then the zodiac sign items themselves need to be associated with the date ranges somehow? It looks like currently they're not, see {{Q|134394}} for example. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:::I think at the moment we don't have any capacity to include "single days" as dates - things like {{P|P837}} have to use items, so {{Q|Q37587}} - {{P|P837}} - {{Q|Q2332}}. So there isn't really a data model (or data type) suitable for representing this (though we could probably hack something together with qualifiers). Having said that, I'm on the side of "we probably don't want to have a property for this" - we can calculate it for the vast majority of people if we ever have a reason to, and there's only a small fraction where we can't calculate it, would want to know, ''and'' can find a reliable source saying what it is. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:59, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
::::In addition to the points made by [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]], there is no exact correspondence between zodiac signs and dates. It varies from year to year, and also depends on the time zone. The transitions do not occur at midnight, so there will always be days that are one sign in the earlier part of the day and the next sign later in the day. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:19, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
::::Didn't there used to be a page for property proposals where the suitable data model have yet to be created? --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:41, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Which zodiac? {{Q|Q1976204}}? {{Q|Q18124635}} (Hindu)? {{Q|Q60983691}}? --[[User:SCIdude|SCIdude]] ([[User talk:SCIdude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:35, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

== Request for feedback: Research on use of lists and queries for Wikidata maintenance work ==

Hello all,

A few weeks ago, the Wikidata UX team talked to nine people about how they improve and enrich data on Wikidata using queries and lists. The research shows that work practices, tools used and goals are very diverse. We noticed that communication and code examples are key in learning SPARQL and that people often worked on closing gaps in data and on finding problems in data structure and modeling. 

* [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Community_Feedback_Copy_of_%22Queries_and_List_Generation_for_Maintenance_%E2%80%93_Research%22.pdf Slides as PDF on commons]
* [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Y7wxYA_I5nhloJJCNAFUyW-dsvNTxtgGcYUOhMIG2VQ/edit?usp=sharing Original slides on google drive (commenting enabled)]


Before moving on with the research, we would like to have your feedback on the existing results, to check if they adequately represent the goals, activities and problems when using queries and lists. All comments are very welcome, even if we won’t necessarily be able to cover all the possible variations of workflows in the final research.

To give feedback on the slides, feel free to comment directly  [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_use_in_Cultural_Institutions.pdf in the document] or to leave your comment below, indicating the slide number and/or quoting the text.

On top of that, if you are an experienced user of [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/ Petscan] (for list building as well as statement creation based on Wikipedia Categories) we would love to hear more about how you use the tool. PetScan use was mentioned several times in the interviews but we could not cover the process in detail. 

Thanks in advance for your help, [[User:Jan Dittrich (WMDE)|Jan Dittrich (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Jan Dittrich (WMDE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:24, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

*It could be interesting to see a short table with four columns: 
:#what problem the user is trying to fix
:#what tool they are using
:#which query they use to find items
:#where that query is stored
:PetScan used to be a great tool for many, until it broke sometimes last year. Technically, I think it didn't "break", but WMF cut its resource allocation, so it stopped working.
:Did anyone mention the constraint reports? --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 12:09, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
::Also, I think it's better to collect feedback onwiki than at Facebook or elsewhere. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 12:17, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

== United Nations Security Council sanctions permanent identifier ==

The United Nations Security Council assigns a Permanent Reference Number to every individual and entity listed for one of their sanctions list. This is often useful for Wikipedia articles such as [[:en:List of designated terrorist groups]] ([https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/un-sc-consolidated-list]). These identifiers follow a fixed format where first two letters refer to a sanctions committee (e.g. ''QD'' for Al-Qaeda and Daesh), next letter is for indivuduals or entities (''i'' or ''e'') and then a unique number within the corresponding list. Each entry has a corresponding page at UN.org with a ''Narrative Summary'' ([https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sanctions/1267/aq_sanctions_list/summaries/entity/abu-sayyaf-group]) but, as far as I know, there are no direct URLs to get them from Permanent Reference Numbers. Do you think it would be reasonable to add a new identifier property? --[[User:MarioGom|MarioGom]] ([[User talk:MarioGom|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:04, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
:Yes I think it would, identifiers do not need to have a formatter URL, it's just very common that they do and makes life a bit easier when they do. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:49, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
:: I would suggest that you [https://www.un.org/en/contact-us/ contact them] to ask whether they have or plan to have links to the narrative summaries based on the permanent reference numbers.  I don't even see a way to get to the narrative summary from the consolidated list, and searching for the PRN does not work well. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:48, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

== Creating data-tables to show in Wikipedia - eg. for Corona virus ==

Hi, I am completely new to WikiData, so I just want to understand what is possible and maybe get some links. Now during the Coronavirus outbreak there are many tables summarizing number of confirmed cases and deaths. These tables are both globally, per country and even per region. Wikipedia is a poor tool for this, as each cell needs to be maintained individually and there are no links or calculations. For example it would make sense to be able to sum the bottom row automatically, it would make sense to have calculated columns (eg. death ratio) and it would make sense to link one country total on the global page to the sum of regions on the country page. All in all, this is data. Can this be organized in WikiData and then linked into Wikipedia tables? Thanks! [[User:Osram|Osram]] ([[User talk:Osram|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:35, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
:I fail to see what anyone can do better than linking to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ . --[[User:SCIdude|SCIdude]] ([[User talk:SCIdude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:19, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

*There is [[:fr:Utilisateur:Viruscorona2020/Tuto wikidata nombre de cas]] by {{user|Viruscorona2020}}. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 14:25, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
**Yes, [[User:Osram|Osram]] It's already done here inthis table at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Épidémie_de_maladie_à_coronavirus_de_2020_en_France#Localisation_des_cas : the table uses a module and a template: the module is [[:fr:Module:Wikidata]] (called by "invoke") which allows you to pass data from wikidata to wikipedia and the template is [[:fr:Template:Addition]] which automatically totals each column. --[[User:Viruscorona2020|Viruscorona2020]] ([[User talk:Viruscorona2020|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:36, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
*Commons is the right place to store data tables. See [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tabular_Data Help:Tabular Data]. [[User:Ayack|Ayack]] ([[User talk:Ayack|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:27, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
**I think Commons works for tables that are stable. If data cells change one by one, that should work better here. Obviously, editing starts getting slow when there are many statements. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 14:45, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
*** Surely Wikidata is not the right place to try to track every person who has contracted a particular illness. If someone finds wikibase the right tool for that, I would think they would need to set up a separate instance. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:18, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

== Help with splitting a conflated person item ==

Unless he completed his PhD at age 13, {{q|Q5113349}} seems to conflate an author (DOB unknown, but likely before 1980) and a footballer (DOB 1987). I read over the help pages and I'm still not sure how to best resolve this - do I create only one new item or two? [[User:Alex Cohn|Alex Cohn]] ([[User talk:Alex Cohn|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:29, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

*Did you see [[Help:Conflation of two people]]? If you aren't sure, it's probably better to do two new items. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 17:09, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Jura1}} I just did - thanks! I think I did it right, but would you be willing to look it over for me? The two new items are {{Q|Q87450707}} (writer) and {{Q|Q87450744}} (footballer).
::yes, looks good. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 18:49, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Nice job! How did you first catch the mistake? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:44, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

== {{P|2002}} ==

Why date statement is required? What is this date? Access date? [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:38, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
* I added that constraint, see extended discussion here: [[Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/SilentSpikeBot#Relevant_property_discussion]]. However, I will clarify/summarise:
:{{P|2002}} is not a stable identifier, thus the data should be dated so we know when it was true. The constraint is a suggestion constraint, not a requirement. The reason {{P|585}} was chosen (over {{P|580}} and {{P|582}} which also date the data) is because of the complications around use of the qualifier {{P|3744}} which can change rapidly in time unlike other qualifiers/the main value (which change at specific points in time). Now that I've been running a bot on this data for a bit, I tend to agree with {{user|Jura1}} that adding the followers as a qualifier is not a good solution because that data itself really needs to be qualified with P585 separate from the username statement. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:49, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

== label service caching issue? ==

I [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q8799&diff=1132993269&oldid=1129577822 fixed the label] on {{Q|8799}}; it had been "bytesss".  But its {{P|2442}} value (which points back at itself) is still showing as "1 bytesss".  Presumably the old label is still cached somewhere, but where?  And is there an easy way to flush/refresh it? —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:WP:Purge]] worked. Easiest way to purge pages in Wikidata is to install the PurgeTab gadget from your preferences. --[[User:Shinnin|Shinnin]] ([[User talk:Shinnin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:43, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Thanks! —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:56, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
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== Please delete {{q|86503157}} ==

Sorry, I created this page by mistake. Please delete it. Thank you.<small>&nbsp;&ndash; {{Autotranslate|base=Unsigned/text|1=霜奶仙|2=2020-02-27 10:58}}</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
:{{ping|霜奶仙}} {{done}} by [[User:IN]] (redirected page) [[User:DemonDays64|DemonDays64]] | [[User talk:DemonDays64|Talk to me]] 17:59, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{Not done}}{{re|demonDays64}}IN is change name from "霜奶仙"(Alcremie),so this page isn't delete.--[[User:IN|IN]] ([[User talk:IN|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

== Bug ? ==

Hello, Salut, I was tried to addon an Item and It wasn't work. Somebody knows why ? [[User:Lionel Scheepmans|Lionel Scheepmans]] <sup><big>✉</big> [[User talk:Lionel Scheepmans|Contact]]</sup> <sub>Désolé pour ma [[w:dysorthographie|dysorthographie]], [[w:dyslexie|dyslexie]] et [[wikt:distraction|"dys"traction]].</sub> 09:21, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

:It is already inked to . --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:23, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
:* Thanks [[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] but the question is : When I try to add [[v:fr:Recherche:Imagine un monde|this page]] to wikiversity entries Q3568028, I receive this message : " Could not save due to an error. The save has failed. ». Is anybody knows why ? [[User:Lionel Scheepmans|Lionel Scheepmans]] <sup><big>✉</big> [[User talk:Lionel Scheepmans|Contact]]</sup> <sub>Désolé pour ma [[w:dysorthographie|dysorthographie]], [[w:dyslexie|dyslexie]] et [[wikt:distraction|"dys"traction]].</sub> 11:31, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
::* {{ping|Lionel Scheepmans}} If you're trying to add [[v:fr:Recherche:Imagine un monde]] as a sitelink on {{Q|Q3568028}}, you will not be able to do so because that item already has a sitelink for frwikiveristy ([[v:fr:Wikiversité:Wikimedia]], added by you), and we do not permit any project to have more than one sitelink an on item.  See [[Help:Sitelinks]] for more guidance. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:28, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
:::*Thanks  [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]], are you sur than it's nothing linked to the name space « recherche » ? because before to put the link [[v:fr:Wikiversité:Wikimedia]], I've tried to use [[v:fr:Recherche:Imagine un monde|fr:Recherche:Imagine un monde]] and I received the same message than the on displayed above. [[User:Lionel Scheepmans|Lionel Scheepmans]] <sup><big>✉</big> [[User talk:Lionel Scheepmans|Contact]]</sup> <sub>Désolé pour ma [[w:dysorthographie|dysorthographie]], [[w:dyslexie|dyslexie]] et [[wikt:distraction|"dys"traction]].</sub> 08:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::::* I am not absolutely certain that I understand what you are doing to get this error.  Can you please list each step in your procedure carefully?  I would be happy to read a response in French if that would be easier for you. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::*Usually it means the page is already connected to another item - [[:v:fr:Recherche:Imagine un monde]] is connected to {{Q|Q32860608}}. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:36, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

== Can someone close this RFC pretty please? ==

Hi all

Myself and Nav Evans started [[Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Wikidata_to_use_data_schemas_to_standardise_data_structure_on_a_subject]] in October last year and the last new comment was in November, there appears to be consensus on a way forward. Could someone close it so that we can start building what we talked about?

Thanks

--[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:51, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

*It seems that there was no input on the page itself. You could close it yourself as "malformatted". --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:51, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

:* {{ping|Jura1}} like it says at the top, the discussion was on the talk page and then we adapted the document based on feedback from the 30 people who took part. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:55, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

FYI, all you have to do is put <nowiki> {{RFCSubpage|closed=yes}} </nowiki> at the top of the page. --[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

== Cannot save anything on [[Q87476948]] "The save has failed" ==

<strike>When I try to add any statement to [[Q87476948]] it doesn't save it and a message saying "The save has failed" appears. It is just me? [[User:MarioFinale|MarioFinale]] ([[User talk:MarioFinale|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)</strike>
:My fault, the item was duplicated but the error message was very useless. [[User:MarioFinale|MarioFinale]] ([[User talk:MarioFinale|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:33, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

== 2 items, 1 wikisource page ==

[[s:Author:William Pinkerton]] contains one story and one magazine article, and there's a note on it, saying that nothing is known about this author and "It is not completely certain that the two pieces on this page are by the same person." Therefore, out of an abundance of caution, I created two items, one for the unknown author of each piece of writing. I've asked on the wikisource community portal whether they should be combined on a single author page, and consensus is that yes they should. That leaves me with a dilemma: what item do I link the author page to? [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:50, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:How about doing three? --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:03, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:: That's a thought: "William Pinkerton, magazine contributor" linked to WS and cross-referenced to the two single-contribution items using "said to be the same as" (Curran Index is a reference, tentatively suggesting they are by the same person.) Makes it easy to merge later. [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:46, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

== What label should be entered when there are multiple correct spellings? ==

I'm asking because of [[Q4832075|Azadeh]]. In Farsi this is آزاده. In English it is often written as Azadeh, but [[Q84930765|Azade Shahmiri]] (whose first name is also آزاده) is absolutely Azade without h, see [[c:Special:Redirect/revision/403416125#Azade(h) Shahmiri|here]]: "First of all my first name is misspelled! Azade without 'h' at the end is correct. This is how my name is written on my ID, email and all the other official references. (I know it's more common for Farsi-speakers to put an h but it is what it is!)"

Should I change the English label for [[Q4832075]] to "Azade(h)"? [[User talk:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:70%;color:black;background-color:transparent;;">please ping me if you reply</span> 17:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
*[[Q4832075|Azadeh]] is for people with that spelling in Latin script, e.g. US born persons. Ideally, you'd create an item for the name in Farsi and add there all possible transliterations. If you want you could also make one for "Azade" in Latin script and add that as well. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 17:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jura1}} I can't figure out how to make it happen. It all went wrong. [[User talk:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:70%;color:black;background-color:transparent;;">please ping me if you reply</span> 18:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Alexis Jazz}} fixed. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 18:55, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: Perhaps add two versions, with an {{P|282}} qualifier, as I put on {{Q|84930765}}? There's also {{P|2440}}, but it doesn't look relevant. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

== REQ: URL change at property P494 ==

WHO have released the 2019 version of ICD-10 online. 

I've tried changing the URL over at [[Property:P494]], but authority control seems to be preventing it from being changed. Can someone with the relevant privileges take a look and change <code>https://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2010/en#/$1</code> to <code>https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/$1</code> if at all possible?

Thanks in advance, [[User:Little pob|Little pob]] ([[User talk:Little pob|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:17, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Please check now. [[User:Adithyak1997|Adithyak1997]] ([[User talk:Adithyak1997|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:21, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:Why remove data? Shouldn't we be adding a new statement with preferred rank and adding {{P|582}} to the old formatter? --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:33, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{reply to|Adithyak1997}} Looks good. {{reply to|SilentSpike}} I don't edit WD often, happy to go with whatever is standard protocol. [[User:Little pob|Little pob]] ([[User talk:Little pob|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:08, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{reply to|Little pob}} I have reverted my edit since I am not very much experienced in adding statements which has relations with preferred rank. I haven't dealt with it yet. [[User:Adithyak1997|Adithyak1997]] ([[User talk:Adithyak1997|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
::::{{re|Adithyak1997}} No worries, it's not such a big deal in this instance, but generally in Wikidata you should never remove/replace a statement if it was valid at any given point in time. Instead using start/end time qualifiers and set preferred rank on the preferred value (can use a qualifier to indicate why it's preferred). I've gone ahead and done so with the formatter URL here, though note I've not added an end time to the old format since it's still valid. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:47, 16 March 2020 (UTC)  
::::Thanks for the updation done. [[User:Adithyak1997|Adithyak1997]] ([[User talk:Adithyak1997|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
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== Policy for ID/schema change? ==

After [[Property talk:P2941|some discussion]], there is an issue that I remember cropped up before.
* We have a property P with external IDs.
* The IDs are used on site X, the primary source for these IDs.
* Site X changes their ID schema, using new IDs.
* Site X invalidates the old IDs, they can't be queried/linked to/seen any more.
Do we
# Change the property P to use the new IDs, removing the old IDs
# Change the property P to use the new IDs, keeping the old IDs as ''deprecated'' (note: QuickStatements can not currently mass-change statements to ''deprecated'')
# Create a new property for the same site X for the new IDs, keeping the old property P with the old IDs, maybe label/describe as "deprecated"
#* If so, can we fast-track the property creation, arguing that since property P is relevant, so is the new property
I think we need an "official" policy/decision on this at some point. --[[User:Magnus Manske|Magnus Manske]] ([[User talk:Magnus Manske|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:03, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
*We had a discussion at [[Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2020/02#Versionize_property_definitions_%3F]]. The conclusion just needs to be written down somewhere else. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 14:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Is there like a policy section somewhere that this can be added? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::: I think we would really need a broader discussion before declaring this to be accepted policy - eg in the 2017 discussion at [[Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2017/12#Oxford_Biography_Index_Number_(P1415)]], the general agreement was exactly the opposite, and I'm sure this has been done in a few other cases as well. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::In general I would prefer #1 or #2 for the situations where the old IDs are of little or no practical use (ie they don't resolve to anything). Otherwise it's a bit confusing to end users if we have two different properties for the same ID, with different values. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Question is what's the "practical use" here. I argue that the primary goal of identifiers is identification, and the identifiers (in Wikidata actually "formatter URL"+"identifier fragment") are just names for the things described, in the form of URLs. Following basic linked data principles, these names do not require that they resolve to anything—although in most cases they do, fortunately.<br>When connecting Wikidata with other linked data services, matching items by identifiers is a pretty common process. It is useful to keep older names (identifiers) for things available in Wikidata, as this might be the only way matches can be found if the other linked data service has not been migrated to the new schema yet.<br>From the practical point, I think we are limited by our approach how we technically implement the identifiers as "formatter URL"+"identifier fragment". If one of these components changes, one can take a practical approach and add the new value, either the formatter URL in the property page, or the identifier fragment on item pages, with preferred rank, keep the old one with normal rank. Old and new names (identifiers) would still be available, but the new ones that actually resolve to external resources would be much more visible to data users. However, once both formatter URL and the identifier fragment format change, I think we should really create a new property and keep the old one (both property and all statements). —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::::Somehow I doubt two different formats for values can work well in the same property. Property constraints can't differentiate between rank when checking for a given format. Maybe at Commons it can do that? --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 09:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::Continued use of the same property when either the URL formatter ''or'' the identifier fragment format change is a pragmatic approach; I would not oppose if it was done more rigorously, i.e. with a new property as soon as there is any substantial change in the identifiers. However, I suppose that there will not be a consensus for such a rigorous approach. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::I don't really see a consensus for repurposing the existing entity nor for repurposing Wikidata from a database into a webdirectory. How would MARC standards handle this? --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 09:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

::: Even dead URLs can be relevant for (e.g.) accessing the Internet Archive / Wayback Machine. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

== Copyrights when author "claims no rights" ==

"I claim no rights to this material, and anyone may use it in any manner they see fit." Is it enough for [https://www.arlima.net/the-orb/latwords.html this list] to become CC0? [[User:Uzielbot|Uzielbot]] ([[User talk:Uzielbot|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:26, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
: Technically no, it's not CC0, which is a specific public domain grant and license. But it's likely to be public domain in the US anyway, combined with the author disclaiming rights, it seems reasonable to call it public domain. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:39, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
: Well, the basic list of words would be public domain in the US, maybe not when combined with the descriptions. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::[[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] the translation is the interesting part, I am using Whitaker's WORDS for the words themselves and their morpholigical data, which according to [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Lexicographical_Data Wikilegal] is not copyrightable.[[User:Uzielbot|Uzielbot]] ([[User talk:Uzielbot|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:02, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::So no to {{Q|Q5271108}} and yes to {{Q|Q5881610}}. --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:17, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

== Is it misleading adding coordinates to the items about the COVID-19 outbreak? ==

Hello. I have started a discussion with {{ping|Neo-Jay}} at {{Q|Q87452683}} about adding coordinates to items related to national/regional outbreaks of the COVID-19 disease. I understand the idea of adding coordinates: we can map things. But as the coordinate is placed in the geographical center of the country where the item belongs we have a point in a place that is not related to the actual outbreak point, and can be really misleading. I would understand adding a point for the COVID outbreak at Wuhan, but not at the geographical center of China, as this is not the main point I want to visualize in any external app (a map, a Wikipedia article...). I noticed this in the article [[:eu:COVID-19_gaixotasunaren_2019-2020ko_pandemia_Euskal_Herrian]], where we load the coordinates of events in the template automatically (for example, for an earthquake). As the discussion is not about {{Q|Q87452683}} (where the point is in a mountain) but more general, I would like to know your opinion on this. I ping {{Ping project|Medicine}}. -[[User:Theklan|Theklan]] ([[User talk:Theklan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:If the outbreak occurred throughout the said country/region, it's the proper to use the geographic center of that country/region as the coordinate location. If the outbreak occurred only in part of the said country/region, the coordinate location may be changed to a more relevant place. If [[User:Theklan|Theklan]] is discussing how to determine a best point as the coordinate location ([[Property:P625]]) for a COVID-19 outbreak item, that's fine. But it seems that [[User:Theklan|Theklan]] opposes adding any coordinate location to a COVID-19 outbreak item. If so, I disagree. Coordinate location can be improved, but should not be removed. --[[User:Neo-Jay|Neo-Jay]] ([[User talk:Neo-Jay|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm suggesting that the coordinate should give information about where something is happening, and the geographical center of a country is not accurate. -[[User:Theklan|Theklan]] ([[User talk:Theklan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:45, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::It's a case-by-case issue. The geographic center can also be accurate under some circumstances. If you think that the geographic center is not appropriate for the outbreak in Basque Country ([[Q87452683]]), you may change it to a proper point, not simply remove it. As for the specific issue about Wuhan, I think that Wuhan is of course the coordinate location for the outbreak in Wuhan ([[Q85872051]]), but may not be the coordinate location for the outbreak in Hubei ([[Q87402404]]) and in mainland China ([[Q83872271]]). As the coronavirus outbreak occurred throughout every city in Hubei and every province in mainland China, it's proper, in my view, to use the geographic centers of Hubei and mainlan China as their respective coordinate locations (this is not about an earthquake epicenter). Using different coordinate locations for these three items can also make it easy to find the three items on the map in Wikidata query. --[[User:Neo-Jay|Neo-Jay]] ([[User talk:Neo-Jay|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:59, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
::::What I think is that using the geographic center of an entity for an event is not accurate. We don't use the coordinates of the city a person was born in the Wikidata item of the person, because we can get them easily using a query. If we want to build a map of countries where the outbreak is happening, we can query it easily having countries and then the coordinates of that country. But the event didn't happen in that precise point. -[[User:Theklan|Theklan]] ([[User talk:Theklan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:41, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::Can coordinate location ([[Property:P625|P625]]) be used for an event item? Of course it can. Are you arguing that P625 should not be used for an event? I have put it very clearly, if you think that the geographic center is not appropriate for a specific item, you can change it, but please don't remove it. OK? Can you answer me: what do you think is the appropriate coordinate location for the outbreak in Basque Country ([[Q87452683]])? Please feel free to add it. Please. And you cannot categorically claim that the geographic center should not be used for an event. Again, this is a case-by-case issue (why cannot the geographical center be used as the coordinate location for the outbreak in a small city, e.g., Macau or San Marino?). And we cannot find the the COVID-19 outbreak locations simply by country, because there are many non-country items. For example, the country ([[Property:P17|P17]]) of the outbreak in Hubei ([[Q87402404]]) is China, but we need to find Hubei as the location on map.  And we also cannot find the outbreak in Europe on map by country (P17), because it has many values.  --[[User:Neo-Jay|Neo-Jay]] ([[User talk:Neo-Jay|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::Yes, {{p|P625}} can be used for an event if the event happens in a determined place: an earthquake ({{Q|Q50178713}}) but not a hurricane ({{Q|Q65506262}}), a battle ({{q|Q16470}}) but not a war ({{Q|Q362}})... adding a coordinate for the center of Asia ([[:en:Geographical_midpoint_of_Asia]]) to an item about the COVID-19 in Asia ({{Q|Q86521237}} ''by the way, the point here is not the center of Asia'') doesn't make any sense. If you want to show the center point of the places where COVID-19 happened or the birth places of famous people who died by the disease you can build a query for that without adding misleading information to the item. -[[User:Theklan|Theklan]] ([[User talk:Theklan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Do you mean that at least adding a coordinate for the geographic center to an item about COVID-19 outbreak in a relatively small area (e.g., as small as that in Normandy landings ([[Q16470]]), such as outbreaks in Macau ([[Q85872060]]) and in San Marino ([[Q87123561]])) might make some sense? So the geographic center can be used as the coordinate location for at least ''some'' COVID-19 outbreaks? Is that correct? Frankly speaking, I don't know how to build a query to show the center point of the places where COVID-19 happened if not using coordinates ([[Property:P625|P625]]). For an item about the "outbreak in place X" (place X can be a continent, region, country, province, city, etc.), although the item's label is very clear to a human, how to let machine understand what place X is? It cannot be determined by "location" ([[Property:P276|P276]]), which may include place X's subdivisions. For example, how to build a query to get California for [[Q87455852]] (COVID-19 outbreak in California)? Although [[Property:P276|P276]] (location) of Q87455852 is California now, it may also have other values (e.g., counties in California). If coordinate location ([[Property:P625|P625]]) should not be used, can we use coordinates of northernmost/southernmost/easternmost/westernmost points ([[Property:P1332|P1332]]/[[Property:P1333|P1333]]/[[Property:P1334|P1334]]/[[Property:P1335|P1335]]) for outbreak items? It seems inappropriate to me. If you could teach me how to build a query to show the outbreak place that the item is about without adding coordinates, I would sincerely appreciate your help. --[[User:Neo-Jay|Neo-Jay]] ([[User talk:Neo-Jay|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::You can do with the easiest possible way:
::::::::{{sparql|query=
#defaultView:Map
SELECT ?SARS_CoV_2 ?SARS_CoV_2Label ?country ?countryLabel ?coord WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?SARS_CoV_2 wdt:P1478 wd:Q82069695.
  ?SARS_CoV_2 wdt:P17 ?country.
  ?country wdt:P625 ?coord
}
}}
::::::::You look for the {{P|P17}} where something {{P|P1478}} {{Q|Q82069695}} is happening and then you ask the {{P|P625}} of that {{P|P17}}. So you don't have to add coordinates to the event and mislead people who is reading about that item's location.
::::::::You can also make it show the case of California and others:
::::::::{{sparql|query=
#defaultView:Map
SELECT ?SARS_CoV_2 ?SARS_CoV_2Label ?country ?countryLabel ?coord WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?SARS_CoV_2 wdt:P361 wd:Q83873577;
    wdt:P276 ?country.
  ?country wdt:P625 ?coord.
}
}}
::::::::Here, we ask something that {{P|P361}} {{Q|Q83873577}}, and we ask for the coordinates of the {{P|P276}}, that can even be more than one. -[[User:Theklan|Theklan]] ([[User talk:Theklan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:43, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::You use [[Property:P17|P17]] (country) or [[Property:P276|P276]] (location ) to locate an item. But as I put it, P17/P276 of item "outbreak in place X" may have many values other than place X. For example, your first query generates more than 100 locations for item [[Q81068910]] (global outbreak of COVID-19), whose P17 (country) has many values. And P276 of [[Q87455852]] (COVID-19 outbreak in California) may also have many values other than California (e.g., counties in California) and can generate many locations for this single item on map. I need to locate only one entity for an item, e.g., only Asia for [[Q86521237]] (outbreak in Asia), and only California for [[Q87455852]] (outbreak in California), not multiple countries for Q86521237 or multiple counties for Q87455852. Furthermore, your queries may make different items share a same point on map. For example, both [[Q87455852]] (outbreak in California) and [[Q83873577]] (outbreak in the US) have  statement "country (P17): United States". What I need is to locate each item at a single and unique location on map so that we can layer the map by the item's other data, e.g., [[Property:P1603|P1603]] (number of cases) and [[Property:P1120|P1120]] (number of deaths). Unfortunately the two queries above cannot achieve it.--[[User:Neo-Jay|Neo-Jay]] ([[User talk:Neo-Jay|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC) 
::::::::::If you have data sufficient to enable you to add a P625, then you have data sufficient to choose a value or values for P276 of granularity appropriate to the locus of the outbreak - a county, or counties, in the US, rather than a state. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::::You are right. [[Property:P625|P625]] (coordinate location) may also have more than one value. Although P625 has a single value constraint, its different values can be separated by separators. My query, which uses P625 to locate each item at a single and unique location on map (for now) and can layer the map by level of cases/deaths/CFR, is as follows:
:::::::::::{{sparql|query=
#defaultView:Map{"layer":"?case_level"}
SELECT ?outbreak ?outbreakLabel ?map ?coord ?cases ?case_level ?deaths ?death_level ?CFR ?CFR_level ?start_time ?end_time
WHERE {
  ?outbreak p:P31 ?x.
  ?x ps:P31 ?y;
     pq:P642 wd:Q84263196.
  ?y wdt:P279* wd:Q3241045
  OPTIONAL {?outbreak wdt:P1846 ?map}
  OPTIONAL {?outbreak wdt:P625 ?coord}
  OPTIONAL {?outbreak wdt:P1603 ?cases}
  BIND(IF((?cases=0), "0", IF((?cases<10), "10^0 (1-9)", IF((?cases<100), "10^1 (10-99)", IF((?cases<1000), "10^2 (100-999)", IF((?cases<10000), "10^3 (1,000-9,999)", IF((?cases<100000), "10^4 (10,000-99,999)", IF((?cases<1000000), "10^5 (100,000-999,999)", ">=10^6 (1,000,000)" ))))))) AS ?case_level)
  OPTIONAL {?outbreak wdt:P1120 ?deaths}
  BIND(IF((?deaths=0), "0", IF((?deaths<10), "10^0 (1-9)", IF((?deaths<100), "10^1 (10-99)", IF((?deaths<1000), "10^2 (100-999)", IF((?deaths<10000), "10^3 (1,000-9,999)", ">=10^4 (10,000)" ))))) AS ?death_level)
  BIND (?deaths / ?cases AS ?CFR)
  BIND(IF((?CFR>=0.1), "10^-1 [10%,100%]", IF((?CFR>=0.01), "10^-2 [1%,10%)", IF((?CFR>=0.001), "10^-3 [0.1%,1%)", IF((?CFR>=0.0001), "10^-4 [0.01%,0.1%)", IF((?CFR=0), "0", ">0, <10^-4 (0%, 0.01%)" ))))) AS ?CFR_level)
  OPTIONAL {?outbreak wdt:P580 ?start_time}
  OPTIONAL {?outbreak wdt:P582 ?end_time}
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
ORDER BY ?case_level
}}
:::::::::::Now such a mission seems impossible if we cannot locate item "outbreak in place X" solely at "place X" (not place X's country or subdivisions). Can we add "[[Property:P518|P518]] (applies to part): place X" as a qualifier for item ''outbreak in place X'''s statement "instance of: disease outbreak (or its subclass, e.g., pandemic)"?  I don't know whether it is appropriate and whether qualifier P518 can also have more than one value in this case. --[[User:Neo-Jay|Neo-Jay]] ([[User talk:Neo-Jay|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Now that we are discussing the modeling of COVID-19 outbreak items, what's the correct way to use {{P|P1603}}? Some say it should be the total number of cases at the time. Please see [[Property talk:P1603#Discussion]]. {{Ping|Theklan}} {{Ping|Neo-Jay}} --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|Trade}} Thanks for your message. I have [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P1603&diff=1134985722&oldid=1128196133 posted my comment] on [[Property talk:P1603]]. --[[User:Neo-Jay|Neo-Jay]] ([[User talk:Neo-Jay|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:28, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

== Cleanup of [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control]] ==

There are some property proposals that are not being transcluded in [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control]] - it seems it is related to the amount of transcludes. There are many properties marked ready there and some that are already handled. Should I move the completed ones to archive by hand and can someone create the properties marked ready? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:30, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Maybe I can move the properties that are created/done to the bottom of the page and move ones who are ready above them and under discussion to top? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:15, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

I requested [[Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Other_rights#Iwan.Aucamp|permission]] to create properties so I can help out. Can someone clarify though if it is okay if someone other than the person who proposed a property marks it as ready? For example, would it be okay if I marked [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/ELAR_ID]] as ready? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:I think properties should always be marked as “ready” by someone other than the proposer. - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:48, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|PKM}} Maybe [[Wikidata:Property_creators]] and [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Header/en]] (and other languages) should be updated to this extent? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Is there consensus that this is the case? I may be an outlier. (Not the first time...) - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:05, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
::Proposals should be marked as "ready" (which simply flags them for attention of a property creator or admin) by anyone, once there is either a clear consensus emerging, or discussion has died down. There is no sound reason to exclude the proponent from this. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 00:33, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

== Should I keep taxonomic synonyms as item? ==

I noted that {{ping|MatSuBot}} merged some synonyms with there accepted names ([[Q15228150]], [[Q10893579]], and [[Q11153515]]). However, [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/24?fbclid=IwAR2Zh4ecBSSJWW8CaeccpNiIqIYmoxbgN5D3JIDSlA9QVedRNZz-y53DD30#P1420 previous discussion] suggested we should keep every synonyms as item. ---[[User:Koala0090|Koala0090]] ([[User talk:Koala0090|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:Yes my understanding is that taxonomic synonyms are being kept separate and we associate sources using different names with different items. --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
: The other items (eg. [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q15249687&action=history]) were marked as {{St|X|P31|Q17362920|P642|Y}}. You can undo it and mark more appropriately. --[[User:Matěj Suchánek|Matěj Suchánek]] ([[User talk:Matěj Suchánek|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:07, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

== dispatch lag super high today ==

Since about 0415 UTC (a little after midnight US EDT) this morning, the dispatch lag from wikidata to client wiki's has been averaging about 5 minutes continuously. This has basically blocked all bot edits on Wikidata (all the ones that pay attention to maxlag). This is not the usual WDQS lag problem - for once the lag on the query servers has been fine (less than a minute except for a brief period about 2 hours ago) - probably because there have been almost no bot edits. We haven't had this sort of lag to client wikis for over a year - does anybody have any idea what could be causing it? It will become very hard to keep Wikidata up to date if bots are blocked like this for long. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:29, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
: According to [https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/000000156/wikidata-dispatch?orgId=1 this dashboard], dispatch lag fell sharply around 14:53.
: I see the following bots heavily active during the busy period:
:* {{user|Edoderoobot}} (~26epm)
:* {{user|Reinheitsgebot}} (~26epm)
: [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:04, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Bovlb}} Things do seem to have recovered over the last 30 minutes or so. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

== Source Meta Data ==

It appears that service is non-functional at least since November, as some batches I requested then are still not done. OTOH the translation to QS still is usable. Question: are these the only services that take a PMID or DOI and create a WD item from it? --[[User:SCIdude|SCIdude]] ([[User talk:SCIdude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
: {{Ping|SCIdude}} Could this be related to this thread? [[Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive/2019/10#QuickStatementsBot_(continued)]] [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Indeed, thanks. --[[User:SCIdude|SCIdude]] ([[User talk:SCIdude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
{{section resolved|[[User:SCIdude|SCIdude]] ([[User talk:SCIdude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)}}

== Adding a language to the box ==

How does one add a new language to the Language/Label/Description/Also known as box? Regards, [[User:Mycomp|Mycomp]] ([[User talk:Mycomp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
: Put <code>#babel</code> to [[User:Mycomp|your user page]]. Or as in [[#Codes of lanuages]], activate labelLister in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|your preferences]]. See also [[Help:FAQ#Editing]]. --[[User:Matěj Suchánek|Matěj Suchánek]] ([[User talk:Matěj Suchánek|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:18, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Mycomp|Mycomp]] ([[User talk:Mycomp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:35, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
{{section resolved|[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)}}

== Is "former hospital" and intersection of "hospital building" and a "former building or structure"? ==

It seems a {{Q|Q64578911}}  is the intersection of the subclass_of=hospital_building and a subclass_of=former_building_or_structure, am I wrong? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:47, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

:This seems wrong - a building that was once a hospital but is now a block of flats is a "former hospital", but it does not follow that it is a "former building or structure". It can change its purpose but still be in existence. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:15, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:: I'd make it an instance of {{Q|41176}} and give it multiple {{P|366}} statements with dates. "Former X" items should be avoided in any case. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Yes, we will have to figure out how to distinguish repurposed. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:55, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: This is a terrible mess in Commons. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: I'm pretty sur that a building built as an hospital should have {{Q|Q39364723}}, instead of {{Q|41176}}. A hospital is a distinct built that a church, a house or a prison.  Like if you look {{Q|Q27907328}} It look like a church, even if it's now a public library. If the building id now a aparment building, then you should use {{P|366}} to mark the change of use. If the hospital if demolised, I generally use {{P|P5816}} --> {{Q|Q56556915}} instead of {{Q|Q64578911}}. --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::: Perhaps in some cases, but probably not all. There's not much (if any) external difference between modern apartment, office and hotel buildings, and they can be converted between such uses. A building also has an architectural style, which can be represented with {{P|149}} instead of a class hierarchy. I know for example of a 19th century building, which was constructed as a bank, but the bank never occupied it and it was used as a chemist shop, then a bank about 10 years later, and is currently a cafe. It may have some stylistic characteristics that would indicate its original use, but perhaps it's confusing to be calling it a bank building now? There may also be buildings that were never used for their intended purpose. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::: Bank building have generally a {{Q|Q471898}}, wich is probably present in the building. If we desire a more general purpose, we can also use {{Q|Q1021645}} or {{Q|Q655686}}. All the usage of your exemple enter in the second one. But I agreed that older institutional buildings, like school, hospital or convent often look the same and are often interchangeable. If it could help, in my line of work, we divide buildings in 5 great famillies: Residential, agricultural, commercial, industrial and institutional building. At the difference of the other national museums of Ottawa {{Q|Q1163464}} is a located in a former bakery. It's probably of good idea to put {{Q|Q12144897}} in the item of the building even the curent use is a museum.  --[[User:Fralambert|Fralambert]] ([[User talk:Fralambert|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:00, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::: Possibly, although it's hardly unknown that barns or industrial buildings or schools are converted into residences, and it may still seem odd to describe a block of apartments as an industrial building. Museums can be housed in any random left-over structure, as well as new build, so having a museum "building type" wouldn't work well. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:02, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

== PAWS ==

[https://paws.wmflabs.org/ PAWS] is a great tool, except for WikiData. When you develop a script, it waits 11 minutes due to database lag ''to only '''read''' an item''. Then you get an error because you made a small error in your script. This makes the tool useless. [[User:Edoderoo|Edoderoo]] ([[User talk:Edoderoo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:51, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:You can overwrite the standard pywikibot configuration in PAWS by creating a file "user-config.py" (file ending .py, not .ipynb!) in the main folder of your PAWS account. Maxlag can be deactivated by adding "maxlag=0"—this is okay for testing when developing a script, just do not run any production batches with this configuration. It might also be worth to add "put_throttle=1" permanently to that config file, as this increases your edit rate up to 1/sec. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::The put throttle is acceptable for me (I have an Ubuntu box running pywikibot for production), but it is a good tip. I'll try out the max-lag parameter, as without this it becomes too annoying. [[User:Edoderoo|Edoderoo]] ([[User talk:Edoderoo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: The other thing you might want to do is temporarily turn off your bot! :-)
:::: (I mention this only because it shows up on someone's [[#dispatch lag super high today|list just below]] of heavily-active bots correlated with major dispatch lag.) —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::Worth noting that when bots overwhelm the capacity of the RDF export by ignoring maxlag, wikidata - which is to say you and your fellow wikidata users - appear to suffer a disproportionate penalty seen, most days, in the [https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/000000601/wikidata-addshore-monitoring?orgId=1&fullscreen&panelId=3 Edit & Creation rate chart] - a gap-toothed pattern the area beneath which is much smaller than that beneath the more rare within-capacity periods. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

== Labels for standards with alphanumeric identifiers,  {{P|P2888}} vs {{P|P856}} ==

So there are currently some items with alphanumeric identifiers in their English names:

* {{Q|Q1065865}} "X.509 : Information technology - Open Systems Interconnection - The Directory: Public-key and attribute certificate frameworks"
* {{Q|Q952898}} "G.711 : Pulse code modulation (PCM) of voice frequencies"
* {{Q|Q66084444}} "ISO/IEC 14882 - Programming languages — C++"

I don't exactly like that, I think the full names (as quoted) should be used not just the identifier. Are there any guidelines here?

Then I added the following {{P|P2888}} statements:

* {{St|Q764453|P2888|https://www.iso.org/standard/25845.html}}
* {{St|Q5005847|P2888|https://www.iso.org/standard/38110.html}}
* {{St|Q1065865|P2888|https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-X.509}}
* {{St|Q952898|P2888|https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-G.711}}

I'm not sure if this is right use of {{P|P2888}} - I guess the same can be added as {{P|P856}}, but the problem there is that you have to provide a language - which I don't really want to for these. What is the right approach here? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:32, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

{{Ping project|Labels_and_descriptions}}

:For your first point, we have [[Help:Label]] which is unambiguous "The label is the most common name that the item would be known by." So that would be X.509, not a mouthful of official title. Also known as is for all the other names you can come up with. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:37, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{Ping|Tagishsimon}} From [[Help:Label]] "Because the aim is to use the name that an item would be known by to the most readers, labels should reflect common usage. When it comes to scientific names, for example, of a species, labels should use a species' common name, however items must always also have the scientific name listed as Alias."
:: To me this would rather suggest quite the opposite of what you suggest - or at least would favour "C++ standard" for {{Q|Q66084444}} , "Pulse code modulation (PCM) of voice frequencies" for {{Q952898}} and "Public-key and attribute certificate frameworks" for {{Q1065865}}.
:: Either way, specific guidance in [[Help:Label]] that speaks to this would be helpful because there is no consistency as it stands on this matter. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:52, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
: My own feeling about Wikidata labels is that if you are arguing about them, you are probably doing something wrong.
: Arguments about the "right" names for things are for the Wikipedias, not Wikidata.
: Labels here are for convenience, for people who don't remember that [[Q100]] is Boston.
: As long as the label is easily recognizable, it's fine, and no one needs to worry about whether some other label might be "better".  (In my opinion.) —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:28, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{Ping|Scs}} There is already guidance on labels [[Help:Label|here]] which is quite specific on some matters and at least to one person very clear on this specific matter. The lack of norms will lead to edit wars and needless argument - it won't avoid argument. For example if someone goes and changes the label {{Q|Q47263971}} from "RFC 1323: TCP Extensions for High Performance" to "RFC 1323" and the bot changes it back. Why not just avoid this by putting some guidance down on the matter? Easily recognizable is a subjective attribute - to me "EN 301 347" and "ISO/IEC 14882" for example is not easily recognizable - but this is the preferred label in [[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]]'s view.
:: I had look and I would say the majority of standards in wikidata do not just use the identifier at the moment. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:52, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Empirically - or, at least, anecdotally based on my experience - lack of norms does not, in fact, lead to edit wars and needless argument. My advice is that in most cases, there is a common name. It may well be C++ standard rather than ISO/IEC 14882, but it'll equally be Z39.50 rather than Information Retrieval (Z39.50), or Information Retrieval (Z39.50):Application Service Definition and Protocol Specification. And where there's not an obvious common name, then either a) be happy with a label and an Also Known As or several; or else b) curate a set of items such that the labels and aliases follow a consistent pattern. We cannot give much more useful guidance for a broad set of items, beyond the common name pattern, since for some items the spec ID, for some the formal title, for some, some other formulation, will be the common name. For a much narrower sets of items, it may be possible to provide more detailed guidance, and if so, typically, a project will discuss and recommend; or an individual will curate. As Scs notes, the specifics of labels, descriptions and aliases are of less importance in Wikidata; they exist mainly to enable the item to be discovered through search. Where it is important to record a definitive "label", {{P|1476}}, and/or a specific ID, such as {{P|892}}, is preferred. Having good labels, descriptions and aliases is important for discovery; but spending too much time worrying about which of several candidates gets the "label" slot and which gets the aka is probably not time well spent. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:05, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
::: There's a special place -- I think it's [[w:Talk:Derry]] -- reserved for anyone so idiotic as to edit war on Wikidata labels. —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:23, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

== Full colour 3D models on Wikimedia projects ==

Hi all 

If you'd like full colour 3D models to be available on Wikimedia projects please subscribe to this phabricator task to show that it is a feature people want.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T246901

Thanks very much

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:08, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
== Two alternative type constraints ==

I want to constrain the type of items with property {{P|7963}} to either of:

* {{St||P2309|Q21514624}} AND {{St||P2308|Q7868}}
* {{St||P2309|Q21503252}} AND {{St||P2308|Q189118}}

I'm unsure of how to capture this though. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

:I hope you're going to get consensus for the change before diving into the question of how to effect it. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:29, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Discussion regarding the type constraints can be held here: [[Property_talk:P7963#type_constraint]]. The technical question remains relevant regardless of the outcome of that discussion though. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:08, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

== Notice of proposed changes ==

Please take note of the following proposed changes:

* {{Q|Q681263}} [[Talk:Q681263#This_should_not_be_an_instance_of_technical_standard|should not be an instance of]] {{Q|Q317623}}
* {{Q|Q212971}} [[Talk:Q212971#This_should_not_be_subclass_of_Internet_Standard_(Q290378)|should not be subclass of]] {{Q|Q290378}}

[[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

:You're right on the first on; it's a subclass, not an instance. Arguably wrong on the second. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Standard "An Internet Standard is documented by[1] a Request for Comments (RFC) or a set of RFCs", and, "Engineering contributions to the IETF start as an Internet Draft, may be promoted to a Request for Comments, and may eventually become an Internet Standard." RFCs can, I think, legitimately be seen as that set of IAs that are still at the RFC stage. This may not be your preferred ontology; but that is beside the point. Wikidata is capable of rich descriptions and, explicitly, in [[Help:Statements#Multiple values]]: "If an item by nature can have properties with multiple values (like children of a person or official languages of a country), it is perfectly acceptable to add them." --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:24, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

:: {{Ping|Tagishsimon}} An {{Q|Q290378}} (note capitalized, therefore proper noun as per [[Help:Label]]) is a very specific thing - the official list of Internet Standards can be seen [https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards here] as per

{{Quote|text=<blockquote>
The "Internet Official Protocol Standards" document, now as RFC 5000
[https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5000 [RFC5000]], has always been listed in the Internet Standard series as
STD 1.  However, the document has not been kept up to date in recent
years, and it has fallen out of use in favor of the online list
produced by the RFC Editor [https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcxx00.html [STDS-TRK]].
</blockquote>|item=Q47484263}}

:: Further, there is {{Q|Q47470496}} - which in an of itself is a good example of an RFC which does not intend to represent an {{Q|Q290378}}

{{Quote|text=<blockquote>
This memo provides information for the Internet community.  This memo
does not specify an Internet standard of any kind.  Distribution of
this memo is unlimited.
</blockquote>|item=Q47470496}}

:: It goes on to explain:

{{Quote|text=<blockquote>
In fact, each
RFC has a status, relative to its relation with the Internet
standardization process: Informational, Experimental, or Standards
Track (Proposed Standard, Draft Standard, Internet Standard), or
Historic.  This status is reproduced on the first page of the RFC
itself, and is also documented in the periodic "Internet Official
Protocols Standards" RFC (STD 1).
</blockquote>|item=Q47470496}}

:: Further, even if every single RFC was on IETF's Standards Track (which not every RFC is), then every RFC would still not be a {{Q|Q290378}} (propper noun) - it may be a "internet standard" (regular noun) - and I don't object to such a classification (under said circumstances, which are not the case) - but that is not what is being discussed here. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:53, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

:: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Standard#Overview This quote] "An Internet Standard is documented by[1] a Request for Comments (RFC) or a set of RFCs" implies the inverse relation to what I want to remove - and I would say supports my proposal. If you want to add {{St|Q290378|P279|Q212971}} I would agree - it makes sense. That is the opposite of the relation I want to eliminate. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:58, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
::: Yes, there have been things like April Fools joke RFCs, the "Internet standards" are a subset. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:45, 15 March 2020 (UTC)


{{Done}} [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:02, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

== Relation of {{Q|Q55630524}} and {{Q|Q67016056}} to {{Q|Q41298}} and {{Q|Q1002697}} ==

Currently these two statements exists:

* {{St|Q55630524|P279|Q1002697}}
* {{St|Q67016056|P279|Q1002697}}

It would seem that they should be replaced with:

* {{St|Q55630524|P279|Q41298}}
* {{St|Q67016056|P279|Q41298}}

However from the descriptions of these items it is not clear that their labels are correct:

* {{Q+|Q55630524}}
* {{Q+|Q67016056}}

It seems that maybe the better course of action is to fix their labels. Any feedback would be appreciated. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

{{Ping project|Ontology}}

{{Ping project|Labels and descriptions}}

:In so far as magazine is a subclass of periodical, you can make that change without affecting the price of bread. I hope you develop the confidence to make changes that don't need discussion without bringing them here. As to the descriptions. Sigh. They're pithy strings which rarely encompass the whole scope of their item, for the obvious reason of their brevity. By all means tinker with them if it makes you happy, so long as by doing so you do not change their fundamental meaning. Magazines are a subclass of periodical; it's fine to describe a news magazine as a blah blah periodical blah blah. Users will pick up the Magazineiness from the label. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:00, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:: If someone changes the label of {{Q|Q55630524}} and {{Q|Q67016056}}, as I suggest, then users will in fact not pick up magazine from the label. There are periodicals which are not magazines, and such periodicals could be issued by a governing body of a profession. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:: The actual guidance of labels seems to indicate that there is some conflict between the label and description here. [[Help:Label|"The label is the most common name that the item would be known by."]] At least to me, it is seem like the common name of all "periodical published by the governing body of a profession" is not "professional magazines". [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:45, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:::All "professional magazines" can be described as "periodical published by the governing body of a profession". Not all "periodical published by the governing body of a profession" are "professional magazines"; see, for instance, {{Q|73364223}}. Probably better to work from the label to the description, rather than from the description to the label. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:49, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

{{Ping|Moebeus|Edward}} Maybe you have some inputs? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
: I welcome any effort attempting to create some order in this area. I've mainly been looking at [[Q2514037]] and [[Property:P2813]] and found the space to be rather messy/confusing as it stands. Don't have much input other than to say my personal preference would be to see us move towards the model currently promoted by [[Wikidata:WikiProject Books|Project Books]], with a single P31 for all magazines and the many, many subclasses and variants moved to [[Property:P7937]] and other relevant properties. [[User:Moebeus|Moebeus]] ([[User talk:Moebeus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:18, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

== Error in the Library of Congress database ==

Does anyone have a contact or know the procedure for alerting the Library of Congress of an error in their catalog?  I've noticed that their listing linked from {{Q|61782159}} includes both that author's works as well as those by {{Q|61782109}}.  The authors have the same name but one was a Yale scholar of English literature and the other specialized in US law.  The error has spread into VIAF and WorldCat. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:49, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
: I don't, but it might be a good idea to qualify the statements with something like {{P|P2241}}: {{Q|Q14946528}}. [[User:Vojtěch Dostál|Vojtěch Dostál]] ([[User talk:Vojtěch Dostál|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:07, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{reply to|EncycloPetey}} I ran into this problem as well a while ago; https://loc.gov/contact/catalog-record-error-report/ seems to be the right way to report it. Don't expect a quick resolution though; the one I reported hadn't been fixed as of last time I checked, after a couple months. [[User:Vahurzpu|Vahurzpu]] ([[User talk:Vahurzpu|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:11, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
*Sometimes we are the source of the error. I started a page to track the errors so we can check to see if they actually fix them on their end: [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Authority_control/LCCN_errors]]. We also have one for [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Authority_control/VIAF_errors]], sadly our contact at VIAF no longer responds and corrections have not been fixed for several months now.

== Copyrighted ==

I can see a half dozen entries for determination_method for why something is in the public_domain, what is the determination_method we use to show something is still under copyright? I do not see a list of methods. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:07, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:Wouldn't that just be the law in the applicable jurisdiction? And if an item is missing for a country's copyright law it can be created. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:16, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks! I added "copyright law of the United States" --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:43, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

== Killed in the line of duty ==

{{Q|Q87013982}} I want to use it to tag police and firemen, just as we have killed in action for military people. Should it be added as a second line for "manner of death"? Eventually I want to see how many entries at Wikidata have entries in the officer_down website, to see if it is worth adding as a new data field. Please make additions to this q-entry. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:29, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )}} Is it only for people that were killed by someone or for every death regardless of the cause? English 'killed' is ambiguous, I want to be sure of the correctness of the translation. ''[[User:Wostr|Wostr]]'' <small>([[User talk:Wostr|talk]])</small> 13:46, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:: In English it is not just murdered but died doing their job as a first responder, a fireman killed when the roof collapses, a ambulance driver hit by a car. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::: "Killed in the line of duty" in English has no implication of homicide. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: This is getting off-topic but that's wrong. [https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/homicide-definition.html Homicide] is one person causing the death of the other, be it murder, self-defense, or unintentional. If a cop is chasing a suspect and that suspect shoots the cop dead, the suspect has committed homicide and the officer is considered killed in the line of duty. If a cop is getting out of a car and killed by a passing motorist, that is homicide, considered killed in the line of duty. Many English-language sources use this connotation. [https://www.live5news.com/2020/02/25/report-deputy-suspect-shot-sumter-county-residence/], [https://yourvalley.net/stories/fundraiser-to-send-squad-of-fallen-phoenix-officer-to-police-week,144930], [https://www.ocregister.com/2020/03/04/street-to-be-renamed-after-anaheims-first-police-officer-killed-in-the-line-of-duty/]. [[User:Animalparty|-Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: If an on-duty police officer has a heart attack from running too fast after a suspect, he was "killed in the line of duty" but barring some really arcane legal theory, there was no homicide. Similarly, if a police officer or firefighter dies trying to save someone from a burning building, etc. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
:Are {{Q|87013982}} and {{Q|1036604}} the same concept?--[[User:Afaz|Afaz]] ([[User talk:Afaz|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:59, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Afaz}} Good catch! Yes, they appear to be the same, do you want to do the merge? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Sure. {{Q|85850968}} should also be merged.--[[User:Afaz|Afaz]] ([[User talk:Afaz|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
*That looks like it was meant for only firefighters, how should we handle that? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
::I don't think this word is limited only for firefighters. [https://www.gilbertaz.gov/departments/police/about-us/line-of-duty-deaths]--[[User:Afaz|Afaz]] ([[User talk:Afaz|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:23, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
* {{ping|Afaz}} I agree with you to merge but you have to do something about the Wikipedia article which only appears to be about firefighters ... what to do? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:04, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
** I'd say to create out a second, more specialized item for that (I presume English-language) Wikipedia article. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

== Do something about Covid-19 ==

Hi! Like many others I am currently exploring how the stuff that I know best could be used to help with a crisis like {{Q|84263196}} and also similar situations in the future. One thing that came up in discussion with others would be to be able to visualize and push emergency notifications or important alerts from nearby relevant organizations, such as hospitals, counties, school districts, etc.

Some ideas:
# We already have a property for the {{P|856}}, but often these Websites have a specific page or {{Q|842397}} or {{Q|5153276}} for emergency notifications and important updates. So creating a property that links to that could be one thing.
# Making sure the data for certain domains - say all hospitals in a country have all required data, such as coordinates, websites, phone number - is complete.
# Setting up a Wikiproject to discuss ideas and explore what we could do, where we could easily reach out to each other who are willing to help with such situations?

Thoughts? --[[User:Denny|Denny]] ([[User talk:Denny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:32, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

:Option 2: improving health provider, hospital and emergency services structured data, most particularly official website, social media handles, coordinates. This can be expected to improve google infoboxes, amongst other things. Not sure offhand how we relate localities served to provider items, where that's relevant. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:25, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

:: Sounds great and super actionable. We should be able to start with hospitals, and make sure they are well covered. If a quick check to the Web is reliable, the US has about 5000 hospitals, so the whole world might have up to an order of magnitude more. That sounds like a doable list. --[[User:Denny|Denny]] ([[User talk:Denny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:05, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
*There is [[Wikidata:WikiProject Medicine/Hospitals by country/statistics]]. 
:In the past, I had a look at them once a year or so. This is slightly better than what I had seen at Wikipedia (some lists there include places closed for years). If you find a hospital that no longer exists, please add {{Q|Q64578911}} to it. Given the lack of other updates, I'd rather see the official website added than a possibly incorrect or outdated phone number. 
:Key properties we have are {{P|6801}} and {{P|P6855}}. These somehow mitigate that the definition of "hospital" varies now from one country to another. Coverage for Japan is probably quite good.
:BTW, not sure how to add "if you have symptoms, don't walk into the next hospital and infect everybody else". Maybe building a list of relevant hotlines might help. In general, South Korea seems to have figured out how to go about it. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 08:00, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
::Maybe even do an import from OSM, limited to hospital data? --[[User:SCIdude|SCIdude]] ([[User talk:SCIdude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:09, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|SCIdude}} Incompatible license --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:28, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
: Jura, thank you, that is a great page to start with! --[[User:Denny|Denny]] ([[User talk:Denny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:03, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
:Yes, working on the above list of hospitals is a good starting point. Others include relevant Scholia profiles (e.g. [[:toolforge:scholia/topic/Q82069695|for the SARS-CoV-2 virus]], [[:toolforge:scholia/disease/Q84263196|for the COVID-19 disease]], [[:toolforge:scholia/topic/Q81068910|for the COVID-19 pandemic]], [[:toolforge:scholia/topic/Q84109991|for the transmission of the virus]] or [[:toolforge:scholia/topic/Q30314010|for social distancing]]), and for disaster preparedness more generally, we also have [[Wikidata:WikiProject Humanitarian Wikidata]]. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] ([[User talk:Daniel Mietchen|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
* There is now '''[[Wikidata:WikiProject COVID-19]]'''. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] ([[User talk:Daniel Mietchen|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:53, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Yay! --[[User:Denny|Denny]] ([[User talk:Denny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:27, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

== Automatically fill P131 based on coordinates ==

Hello. Is there a tool to semi-automatically or automatically populate {{P|P131}}, if {{P|P625}} is already populated? [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 04:04, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
* Yeah, this would be really cool. It would likely require fetching data from OpenStreetMaps via {{P|P402}}. [[User:Vojtěch Dostál|Vojtěch Dostál]] ([[User talk:Vojtěch Dostál|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:10, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
* Presumably there would be some cases where it would be contested/ambiguous. But generally it's a good idea. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:08, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
::OpenStreetMap is licensed in another way as Wikidata. So I think it is not allowed to reconcile the data from OpenStreetMap with Wikidata. --[[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:03, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{P|3896}} could be useful here --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
* Surely you also need to know the point in time as the administrative entity could not have existed at the same time as the entity? --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
* Based on [[User:Pasleim/Implausible/coordinate|this]], I would not recommend coordinate-based automatic filling.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
** Agree with Ymblanter.  Many many coordinates are wrong.  Some are grossly wrong, that may be picked up by Paleim's tools.  Some are slightly wrong, due to import from a rather low-precision coarsely-rounded source (sometimes via cebwiki), which then pushes them into the wrong administrative area.  Auto-estmimation of P131s has to be heavily chacked, and is no substitute for extraction for authoritative databases or archival sources. [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:26, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Tagishsimon}} would that match your experiences with Scotland? [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:27, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
::::Scotland had very many wrong coordinates, certainly in the hundreds of, for (at the time) ~46k geocoded items. For many items, it was possible to acquire P131 data from a reliable source, meaning that we could visualise coordinate errors - see an example at https://twitter.com/generalising/status/1167880251336052736/photo/1 ... that would get lost if P131 had been ascribed automagically based on coord. Equally, I added many P131s based on coords, for item sets for which I've not yet found an RS. Such P131s have no ref. Some will contain garbage. 
::::I wouldn't recommend indiscriminate addition of P131 based on P625, but think it's a fair thing to do for a dataset you intend to curate; e.g. for Scotland, it's possible to cross-ref P131s with en.wiki categories for the linked article, as one means of wringing out errors. As for technique, I used WDQS's '[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_Query_Service/User_Manual#Search_around_point search around point]' geospatial search; you can see some evidence of that in https://twitter.com/Tagishsimon/status/1173019508233166848 such as the big East Lothian circle. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

* Hi [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] and others. I agree that most coords are inaccurate, and automatically mass adding things like P131 based on coords is a bad idea. I am seeking if there is a way to do it for selected sets of articles - and that too maybe semi-automatically instead of fully automatic (we need to click confirm, etc). To give an example, I've recently went ahead and updated all coords in [[:en:List of mountains of Sri Lanka]]. I now know all of those coords are accurate. Hence it would be nice if there was a way to fill (at least) P131 based on the coords of that set of articles (I'm sure there would be more properties that could be populated - country, timezone, etc). This is a small set, but suppose we have a bigger set, a tool that could do this would surely help. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 04:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

== Notability of news articles ==

Today we create items for all journal articles out there, and try to link them together with each other (if they are used as a reference in another journal) and to their individual authors.

Currently, many journalists are notable enough to have Wikipedia articles about themselves, or at least a Wikidata item. Would it be inconceivable to create items for news articles as well, if either the author is notable, or it could be used as a reference in a Wikipedia article in some way (i.e. storing references as individual items on Wikidata).

Yesterday I created {{q|Q87727134}} which is a news article from Sweden in {{q|Q1126918}} written by {{q|Q6197220}} that "The Ministry of Foreign Affairs advises against travel to all countries" and linked the main subjects {{q|Q776570}} and {{q|Q84081576}}.

Is this notable for a Wikidata item, or am I "too much of an inclusionist"? <span style="background: turquoise"><span style="font-family:'Segoe Script'">([[User talk:Josve05a|'''t''']])&nbsp;[[User:Josve05a|<span style="color:white;">'''Josve05a'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[Special:Contributions/Josve05a|'''c''']]) </span></span> 13:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

:Too much. The news article doesn't seem to be notable nor required for structural purposes. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:45, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
::Well, we wish to have items for all of a book author's works. We wish to have items for all of a journal author's works. We wish to have items for all music artist's works. Why not notable journlaists as well? Especially if those work are being used as references on Wikipedia. <span style="background: turquoise"><span style="font-family:'Segoe Script'">([[User talk:Josve05a|'''t''']])&nbsp;[[User:Josve05a|<span style="color:white;">'''Josve05a'''</span>]]&nbsp;([[Special:Contributions/Josve05a|'''c''']]) </span></span> 13:52, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:::some inconclusive discussions:
* [[Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Newswirebot]] - proposed to mass import 10 million news articles to Wikidata.
* [[Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/2019/11#Ogoorcs]] - some admin thinks some news article items (#5, #8, #9) and author of one of them (#6) is not notable

--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
::: In my opinion if it is being used as a reference from Wikipedia then there is a structural need to have it in Wikidata so that it can be cited using Cite Q. Beyond this I would say you need to specifically identify what criteria from [[Wikidata:Notability]] you are satisfying and make some argument as to why it is satisfied. I would for example ask what serious publicly available sources can be used to describe it - Wikipedia would be one IMO, but if Wikipedia was not citing it then I would say there would have to be another. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
* Notability at Wikidata is to actually exist and have a link to show it exists. Our guideline states that it "[must] be described using serious and publicly available references". Saying "doesn't seem to be notable" has no meaning. We have a huge tranche of scientific articles that we imported. The argument for not including is always "now someone will import a billion news articles", well, no one wants to do that work, or they would have done it already. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:00, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
::::It would probably be more useful to the general population than all the scholarly article items. --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:41, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::One of these scholarly articles might contain a cure for the cancer you may get in ten years. With news that probabiity is much less. --[[User:SCIdude|SCIdude]] ([[User talk:SCIdude|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

== What should be an {{P|P279}} of a {{Q|Q317623}} and what should be {{P|P31}} of a {{Q|Q317623}} ==

I want to import metadata for documents published by 3GPP, some example documents:

* [https://portal.3gpp.org/desktopmodules/Specifications/SpecificationDetails.aspx?specificationId=728 3GPP TS 23.002: Network architecture]
** [https://portal.etsi.org/webapp/workprogram/Report_WorkItem.asp?WKI_ID=51504 Version 14.1.0] [https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/123000_123099/123002/14.01.00_60/ts_123002v140100p.pdf pdf]
* [https://portal.3gpp.org/desktopmodules/Specifications/SpecificationDetails.aspx?specificationId=558 3GPP TR 21.905: Vocabulary for 3GPP Specifications]
** [https://portal.etsi.org/webapp/workprogram/Report_WorkItem.asp?WKI_ID=57023 Version 15.1.0] [https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_tr/121900_121999/121905/15.01.00_60/tr_121905v150100p.pdf pdf]

This however made me wonder about the appropriate structure, what organizational items should there be, what should be an {{P|P279}} and what should be {{P|P31}} etc.

I have looked at current {{P|P279}} {{Q|Q10870555}}, {{Q|Q317623}} and {{Q|Q2101564}} - and there seems to be somewhat of a lack of consistency.

The clearest guidelines for structuring information like this that that I can find at the moment is from [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Books#Bibliographic_properties]].

Using the approach from [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Books|WikiProject Books]] it would imply that.

* {{St|3GPP TS 23.002: Network architecture|P31|Q47461344}}
* {{St|3GPP TS 23.002: Network architecture: Version 14.1.0|P31|Q3331189}}

This is rather similar to what is happening with ITU-T {{Q|Q55935585}} and {{Q|Q55936923}} except that {{St|Q55936923|P279|Q55935585}} which runs contrary to the [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Books#Bibliographic_properties|WikiProject Books Guidelines]] IMO.

For example:

* {{St|Q952898|P31|Q55935585}} and thus {{St||P31|Q47461344}}
** {{St|Q27051359|P31|Q55936923}} and thus {{St||P31|Q3331189}}
* {{St|Q1424171|P31|Q55935585}} and thus {{St||P31|Q47461344}}
** {{St|Q26928834|P31|Q55936923}} and thus {{St||P31|Q3331189}}

For other cases, like IEEE it is a bit of a mess really (not that ITU-T is not a mess). Similar to ITU-T there is {{Q|Q55755785}} and {{Q|Q55936932}} but there is almost no consistency in how they are used with the following  statements occurring:

* {{St|Q1193354|P31|Q55936932}} - this should rather be {{St|Q1193354|P31|Q55755785}} IMO. 
* {{St|Q1188495|P279|Q193228}} - this should rather be {{St|Q1188495|P31|Q193228}} - and {{Q|Q193228}} should be relabelled to make it clear it is a family of standards - and should possibly be instance of family standard or something. In this case the constraint from WikiProject Books {{St|Q1188495|P31|Q47461344}} will not hold.

I have analysed some other cases also:

* {{Q|Q37033}}: both standards and their versions are {{St||P31|Q2661442}} - e.g. {{Q|Q8811}} and {{Q|Q3782232}}
* {{Q|Q15028}}: Really no consistency - there are many cases where prominent standards such as {{Q|Q66084444}} and {{Q|Q85547147}} are both {{St||P279|Q2661442}} and {{St||P31|Q2661442}}
* ANSI and ECMA, specific versions are {{St||P31|Q2661442}} - there are no entries for the standards without version.

I'm working on a detailed proposal for a 3GPP publication ontology [[User:Iwan.Aucamp/WIP/3GPP#Option_1|here]] if someone wants to have a look.

This raises a couple of questions:

* Where is the right place to capture a recommended ontology for 3GPP publications and possibly other technical recommendations, reports, specifications and standards such as ISO and IEEE? Should it go under a WikiProject? If so which one? If not where?
* What is the right way to organize standards and specifications? I think every standard such as {{Q|Q66084444}} should be {{St||P31|Q47461344}} and not {{St||P279|Q47461344}}. And I think every every version of a standard should be {{St||P31|Q3331189}} and not {{St||P31|Q47461344}} or {{St||P279|Q47461344}} or {{St||P279|Q3331189}}.

Any input on this matter would be appreciated. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

{{Ping project|Ontology}}

{{Ping project|Books}}

{{Ping project|KOS}}
: If we were treating standards as documents with editions, then maybe a "technical standard" [[Q317623]] is not really a form of written work equivalent to "novel" or "poem" or "technical report", since we want the editions to be the technical standards, not the "written work" item. Then these standards documents would be treated like other published technical reports, i.e., with a main item which is an instance of {{Q|47461344}}, or a subclass appropriate for technical reports, and the individual standards like C99 would be editions of that written work and also marked as "technical standards". The "technical standard" item would no longer be a subclass of "written work" or "document". Alternatively, maybe using editions would be a inappropriate, and each new version of the standard would be better treated as a written work in its own right. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:36, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
: The way that {{Q|1151257}} is set up (ignoring the incorrect subclass statements than can be deleted) is not right, because it's an edition that's also an instance of a subclass of {{Q|47461344}} (i.e., {{Q|15087423}}). [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:50, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

== Cookbook recipe properties for main ingredients and optional ingredients ==

{{Q|Q87066630}} is one of the Wikidata items I'm working on. The Wikidata item was created for the Swedish Wikibooks Cookbook("Kokboken") recipe item "Kokboken/Recept/Gröt i mikrovågsugnen". I want to have "main ingredients" and "optional ingredients" properties. Because in this recipe there aren't any blueberries based on the original recipe, though personally I wanted to add blueberries, so I added them as optional ingredients. Is it ok if I create 2 properties for my needs or is it better if I go to a proposal page and suggest community input? What is the best way to go about this?(if this experience doesn't lead anywhere and we just keep on discussing and discussing I think I'll take the risk and create 2 properties for my needs, just saying as I'm experienced with discussions at some instances not leading to anything productive). If you can connect others who are interested in English Wikibooks Cookbook and Wikidata, you are welcome. It might be proper for me to do the same. [[User:Datariumrex|Datariumrex]] ([[User talk:Datariumrex|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:57, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:Unless you're a property creator you cannot create new properties (and if you were you would not bypass the approval process like that). As for your question, I'm personally unfamiliar with modelling recipes, but see that you're using {{P|527}}. For optional ingredients you could qualify it with {{P|1552}} {{Q|59864995}} (this item needs some details added, but seem to represent the right quality). That said, I personally think it would appropriate to propose a new "ingredient" property because a recipe itself is not made of ingredient parts (the relation is different than P527 in my opinion). --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:03, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

== Wikidata weekly summary #407 ==

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* '''Discussions'''
** Closed request for comments: [[d:Wikidata:Requests for comment/Wikidata to use data schemas to standardise data structure on a subject|Wikidata:Wikidata to use data schemas to standardise data structure on a subject]]

* '''[[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Events|Events]]'''
* Note: Due to the ongoing COVID-19 situation, most meetups, including all those funded by Wikimedia Foundation grants, have been cancelled, or moved online, for the foreseeable future.
** Past: Wikidata workshop at the central library of Göttingen. Slides: [[c:File:Verknüpfung von Wikidata mit anderen Datenbanken.pdf|connecting Wikidata and other databases (in German)]]
** Upcoming: [[d:Wikidata:Events/Paris|Wikidata workshop in Paris]], March 20th, will take place online starting at 20:00 on IRC ([[freenode:wikidata-fr]])
** Upcoming: [[d:Wikidata:Events/Swedish_online_editathon#Meetup_#5|Online Wikidata editathon in Swedish #5]], March 22
** Upcoming: [[d:Wikidata:Events/Wikidata Wochenende Ulm 2020|Wikidata Wochenende in Ulm]], June 12-14
** Postponed:
*** [[m:WikiData Days 2020|Wikidata Days 2020]] (July, Portugal) will be postponed ([https://wikidatadays.wikimedia.pt/wikidata-days-postponed/ more information])
*** [[d:Wikidata:WikiCite Satellite Cologne 2020|WikiCite Satellite Cologne 2020]] (May, Germany) is postponed until "late 2020"
** Cancelled:
*** [[mw:Wikimedia Hackathon 2020|Wikimedia Hackathon]] (9-11 May, Tirana) is cancelled due to COVID-19.

* '''[[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Press coverage|Press, articles, blog posts]]'''
** [https://medium.com/freely-sharing-the-sum-of-all-knowledge/wikimedia-coronavirus-response-people-first-8bd99ea6214b People First: Wikimedia’s Response to COVID-19] - Update from Katherine Maher, Wikimedia Foundation CEO
** [https://mission.org/podcast/wikimedia-foundations-knowledge-infrastructure-with-grant-ingersoll-cto-of-wikimedia-foundation/ Wikimedia Foundation’s Knowledge Infrastructure with Grant Ingersoll, CTO of Wikimedia Foundation]
** ''[https://arxiv.org/pdf/2003.03072.pdf Improving Neural Named Entity Recognition with Gazetteers]'' - "describes how to generate gazetteers from the Wikidata knowledge graph"
** ''Introduction to Wikidata'' video by [[d:Q66689127|Jason Evans]] and [[d:Q72575551|Aaron Morris]], available both in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_9_23jXPoE English] and in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAfFF2VgAGw Welsh]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnA9TdbfLAo Video of the live Wikidata Querying], March 15th, by WikidataFacts

* '''Tool of the week'''
** [[c:User:TabulistBot|TabulistBot]], a tool to generate and update tabular data on Commons, based on Wikidata SPARQL queries. Sample: [[c:Data talk:USGS Earthquakes.tab|earthquakes.tab]]

* '''Other Noteworthy Stuff'''
** New help page: [[d:Help:Suggesters and selectors|Suggesters and selectors]]
** All identifiers are now sorted mostly alphabetically according to [[d:Wikidata:Requests for comment/Sort identifiers#Proposal 1|the RfC regarding the sorting of identifiers]], which remains open if you have improvement proposals. Feel free to comment [[d:Wikidata:Requests for comment/Sort identifiers#Comments on new sorting|here]]!
** [[w:en:User:Maximilianklein|Maximilian Klein]] applied for [[m:Grants:Project/Maximilianklein/WHO|a project grant]] to merge and improve [https://whgi.wmflabs.org/ WHGI] and [https://www.denelezh.org/ Denelezh], tools that heavily rely on Wikidata to provide statistics about gender gap and biographical content in Wikimedia projects.
** QuickStatements change ([https://twitter.com/MagnusManske/status/1235185453390794754 4 March]).  QuickStatements is now executing "run in background" batches with the same priority as direct batches run from the browser. Background batches may now run many times faster than they previously did ([[:d:Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#Batch_QuickStatements_has_become_unsustainably_slow|discussion]]), when the WDQS updater can handle this.
** [[c:Commons_talk:Structured_data#On_SPARQL|News and discussions about Structured Data on Commons SPARQL endpoint]]

* '''Did you know?'''
<!-- NEW PROPERTIES DO NOT REMOVE -->
** Newest [[d:Special:ListProperties|properties]]:
*** General datatypes: [[:d:Property:P7959|historic county]], [[:d:Property:P7964|corresponding HTML autocomplete attribute]]
*** External identifiers: [[:d:Property:P7960|Joconde Discovery ID]], [[:d:Property:P7961|Joconde Genèse ID]], [[:d:Property:P7962|Dictionnaire des femmes de l’ancienne France ID]], [[:d:Property:P7963|Cell Ontology ID]], [[:d:Property:P7965|Scilit work ID]], [[:d:Property:P7966|NetBSD package]], [[:d:Property:P7967|OpenBSD port]], [[:d:Property:P7968|VR GameCritic ID]], [[:d:Property:P7969|DAR ancestor ID]], [[:d:Property:P7970|FandangoNow ID]]
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** New [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Property proposal|property proposals]] to review:
*** General datatypes: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/descriptive solubility|descriptive solubility]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Unicode character (item)|Unicode character (item)]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Donations|Donations]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/endorsed by|endorsed by]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/countermeasure|countermeasure]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Venue of the final|Venue of the final]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Tournament format|Tournament format]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/tilt|tilt]]
*** External identifiers: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Social Blade YouTube channel ID|Social Blade YouTube channel ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Dizionario di Filosofia ID|Dizionario di Filosofia ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/re:publica speaker ID|re:publica speaker ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/ACM Conference ID|ACM Conference ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/HuijiWiki Wiki ID|HuijiWiki Wiki ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/ACM Journal ID|ACM Journal ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/m3db.com film ID|m3db.com film ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/m3db.com person ID|m3db.com person ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/TripAdvisor ID 2|TripAdvisor ID 2]]
<!-- END NEW PROPOSALS -->
** Query examples: 
*** [https://w.wiki/KDJ Timeline of films about pandemics]
*** [https://w.wiki/JnC World map of hospitals] ([https://twitter.com/AlexHinojo/status/1238596806231146501 source])
*** [https://w.wiki/KY3 English and Scottish health trusts & boards] ([https://twitter.com/Tagishsimon/status/1239552371493089283 source])
*** [https://w.wiki/KY5 Videogames nominated at the Pégases award] ([https://twitter.com/JeanFred/status/1237099418018394112 source])
** Newest [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:WikiProjects|WikiProjects]]: [[:d:Wikidata:WikiProject COVID-19|WikiProject COVID-19]]
** Newest database reports: [[d:Wikidata:Lists/corona virus deaths|COVID-19 deaths]]

* '''Development'''
** Add monolingual codes nrf-gg (Guernésiais), nrf-je (Jèrriais), thanks to Mbch331! ([[phab:T165648]])
** Article Placeholder: make the entity field required ([[phab:T247478]])
** Remove legacy Wikibase service containers ([[phab:T245865]])
** Fix an error UnresolvedEntityRedirectException when viewing certain Wikidata item pages ([[phab:T243779]])
** Fix an issue with new edit summaries not always showing what expected ([[phab:T246873]])
** Federated properties: enable search with remote properties (wbsearchentities) ([[phab:T246349]])
** showing the updated Wikipedia article after changing a value via Bridge ([[phab:T235208]])
** research how to do reference rendering ([[phab:T244987]])

[[phab:maniphest/query/4RotIcw5oINo/#R|You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here]]. If you want to help, you can also have a look at [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/71/query/zfiRgTnZF7zu/?filter=zfiRgTnZF7zu&order=priority the tasks needing a volunteer].

* '''Monthly Tasks'''
** Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
** Comment on property proposals: [[d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Overview|all open proposals]]
** Contribute to a [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Showcase items|Showcase item]].
** Help [[d:Special:LanguageStats|translate]] or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
** [[d:User:Pasleim/projectmerge|Help merge identical items]] across Wikimedia projects.
** Help [[d:Wikidata:Status updates/Next|write the next summary!]]

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Note: the summary I wanted for the 'Noteworthy Stuff' SDC item, that actually says what the discussion is about, was:
:* [[c:Commons_talk:Structured_data#On_SPARQL|Development of Commons's SPARQL endpoint on indefinite hold?]]
[[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:25, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

== Where should the image of an award received go? ==

Where should the image of an award received go? At {{Q|Q5093459}} the medal of honor is displayed for image=, I don't mind having an image for an award, but we need image=null to search for people that need portraits. Any suggestions where it can go, or just delete the image? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
: It could go on {{P|6802}}. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

== Ways to mark possibly fictitious genealogy entries ==

Hi. Can anyone offer some advice on the best way to handle entries from genealogy databases that are believed to be fictitious? {{Q|Q75437282}} is recorded in The Peerage and WikiTree as the mother of {{Q|Q1710670}} and previous editors have replicated the connection on Wikidata. {{u|Oleryhlolsson}} has removed the connection with the claim that the relationship is not supported by more reliable sources.[https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q75437282&type=revision&diff=1067396916&oldid=1065862690] This is possibly a case of a speculative entry being created in one dataset on the internet and then migrating around the internet to other datasets.<br />
We can't treat the connection as fact but what is the best way to handle the situation? If we delete the item, the disputed datasets will remain on the internet and a future editor will eventually recreate the same entry. If we blank the connection (as is the current position) another editor will re-establish the relationship in error through replicating the linked databases (this could also be done by bot edits copying data from the external databases with minimal oversight). If we record the relationship in our database then we are perpetuating and spreading the disputed record.<br />
My view is that we need to retain the item but have some way to record the disputed nature of the claim. Are there any suggestions of alternate ways to handle this? [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:57, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:Seems like a prime use case for [[Help:Deprecation]]. Just need to add an appropriate {{P|2241}} qualifier. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

== Hazard-Bot and Wikidata:Requests for deletions ==

Anyone know why Hazard-Bot has stopped archiving requests on that page since the 26th? (I'd ask Hazard-SJ myself, but it is not clear that that user edits on-wiki anymore.) [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:00, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
:I'm not sure anyone would know but the owner. Maybe we should look for a replacement? Have you tried reaching out to him? -- [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|talk]]) 15:41, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
::I have tried via talk page as well as email, but no response. I think we should go for replacement. {{ping|Mahir256|Ajraddatz}}. &#8208;&#8208;[[User:1997kB|1997kB]]&nbsp;([[User_talk:1997kB|talk]]) 06:21, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
:: And surprisingly bot is still performing other tasks but not this one. &#8208;&#8208;[[User:1997kB|1997kB]]&nbsp;([[User_talk:1997kB|talk]]) 06:23, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
:::I now have a script that does the archiving, but I need to start it manually once or twice a day or so. I would rather not take on this task permanently, however. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:Looks like [[User:Hazard-Bot/Archiving|other archiving tasks]] has stopped (last edit for this task [[Special:Diff/1127284861|on March 1]]) as well; I don't have a script to archive RFD, but I can takeover this one. &mdash;&nbsp;regards, [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 19:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Thanks both. Hopefully we can get a longer-term solution going eventually. -- [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|talk]]) 02:50, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
::: [[Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/Revibot I]] FYI. &mdash;&nbsp;regards, [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 12:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:Hmm, reviewing my bot's audit trail, it might be the MaxLag that is causing the scripts to fail.
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:&mdash;&nbsp;regards, [[User:-revi|<span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span>]] 15:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

== Confusion with 3 properties ==

Consider the item Sanyathara (ID: Q16832086). She is an actress. Should this item be placed under actor, actor(actress) or actress? [[User:Adithyak1997|Adithyak1997]] ([[User talk:Adithyak1997|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:17, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:I would place it under actor and I think that this is a good question and there is a solution needed. {{P|P2521}} is usually used in cases like that at the item about the {{P|P106}} or position held to show the female label of the job. The current situation is not reader friendly. How the data users who download the dump or use data from a query work with this is not clear. I think it were good if there could be another label displayed as the main label at the Statements of the {{P106}} property if the gender of a person is female. Maybe also if the gender is divers. There I dont know how the property for that case is called. For queries it is from my point of view as a user with not big knowledge about SPARQL better to have one item for all genders. I dont know how I can write a query to get a list with all persons from a country with actor or actress as their occupation if there is a item for every gender. If there is a solution for that it were also good for me and then the other thing is not needed. --[[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:23, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
:If you open this Wikidata item {{Q|Q33999}} you will find "actress" under "Also known as". I think a query can have custom labels where you can input "actress" into the label and that way the query will display actresses the way you prefer. If you want a general change of the label, I suggest a consensus with maybe the Wikipedia article community or other related communities in relation to the English language Wikimedia projects. [[User:Datariumrex|Datariumrex]] ([[User talk:Datariumrex|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|Datariumrex|||||}} If you mean actress come under the heading actor, then why is there a property called 'Actress'? Does it have any other usage? [[User:Adithyak1997|Adithyak1997]] ([[User talk:Adithyak1997|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

::There is not any such "property". I think you are confused. There is an ITEM {{Q|33999}} which has an also known value of actress. There is no ITEM for "actress" apart from that one. There is no ITEM "actor(actress)". The {{Q|33999}} ITEM is typically used with PROPERTY {{P|106}}. To give you any more help, should it be needed, please provide at least URLs for the things you are trying to explain to us. thx --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:53, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
The item {{Q|21169216}} is about actress and so it is not clear what item is the right one if there is an actress the item is about a female person with occupation actor. -- [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:35, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:This item {{Q|21169216}} is related to Italian Wikiquote "[https://it.wikiquote.org/wiki/Attrice Attrice]". {{Q|Q33999}} also has an Italian Wikiquote "[https://it.wikiquote.org/wiki/Attore Attore]". The Wikidata item for {{Q|21169216}} only has 1 Italian Wikiquote link to Attrice, so if you are interested you could try to merge the two Italian Wikiquote articles about Attrice and Attore, then you can link the one Italian Wikiquote article to {{Q|Q33999}}. I suggest you use {{Q|Q33999}} for occupation. It includes female actors. [[User:Datariumrex|Datariumrex]] ([[User talk:Datariumrex|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks for replying. {{reply to|Tagishsimon}} It was my mistake in considering 'item' 'as' a property. [[User:Adithyak1997|Adithyak1997]] ([[User talk:Adithyak1997|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

== Two VIAF items, can we link somehow? ==

The Railway Musuem in Belgrade, Serbia has two lisitngs in VIAF, https://viaf.org/viaf/search?query=local.names%20all%20%22Z%CC%8Celeznic%CC%8Cki%20Muzej%22&sortKeys=holdingscount&recordSchema=BriefVIAF
I've linked to the Serbian library VIAF item, the GND one seems to also be about the same item. Not sure how to proceed with linking both of them... [[User:Oaktree b|Oaktree b]] ([[User talk:Oaktree b|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:47, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
: The best method, according to previous discussion, is to link both VIAF ids, and ignore the constraint flag. Apparently this helps people at VIAF notice the problem and perhaps they'll fix it. If you want to try to take it up with them directly, email bibchange@oclc.org. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:24, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
::Our old contact at VIAF is no longer making corrections, does anyone know someone there that we can show how our system works, so they can start up making corrections again? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:34, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

== Case insensitive queries ==

How can I make a wuery case insensitive? E.g. the capitatlisation found in DOIs:

{{SPARQL
|query=SELECT ?DOI WHERE {?DOI wdt:P356 '10.15347/WJM/2019.003'}
}}

Any ideas? [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(evo&#38;evo)]] ([[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:46, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Evolution and evolvability}} 

{{SPARQL
|query=SELECT  ?title
WHERE   { ?x dc:title ?title
          FILTER regex(?title, "web", "i" ) 
        }}}
Will modifications to this one work? [[User:Adithyak1997|Adithyak1997]] ([[User talk:Adithyak1997|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:25, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

::{{re|Adithyak1997}} Hmm, that ends up being v.slow (>10 seconds). I saw [https://www.cray.com/blog/dont-use-hammer-screw-nail-alternatives-regex-sparql/#comments this blog post] on speeding it up but I'm not SPARQL-savvy enough to implement it! Any assistance appreciated! [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(evo&#38;evo)]] ([[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:56, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Evolution and evolvability}} There is no way to avoid using a (slow) FILTER if you are trying to do a case-insensitive string search in SPARQL. SPARQL literals are always case sensitive. If you are just searching for specific strings, it might be easier to use Wikidata's search than SPARQL (all string values are indexed in a case-insensitive fashion by the search engine here) - just use the search box on any Wikidata page. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

::::So as SPARQL this would be:
::::{{SPARQL|query=SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?itemLabel 
WHERE {
  hint:Query hint:optimizer "None".
  SERVICE wikibase:mwapi {
    bd:serviceParam wikibase:api "Search";
                    wikibase:endpoint "www.wikidata.org";
                    mwapi:srsearch "haswbstatement:P356=10.15347/wJM/2019.003".
    ?title wikibase:apiOutput mwapi:title.
  }
  BIND(IRI(CONCAT(STR(wd:), ?title)) AS ?item)
  FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item wdt:P921 wd:Q202864. }
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}
}} --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:08, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

:::::{{re|ArthurPSmith|Tagishsimon}} Excellent - thank you! Works as expected. I can't claim to fully understand exactly what it's doing, but it certainly works in all the stress-tests I've tried it with so problem solved! I'm now using it within [https://github.com/petermr/openVirus/blob/TS404-patch-doi-query-case/wiki%20package%20testing.R <nowiki>this [R] script</nowiki>] in the <code>qid_from_DOI</code> function. [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(evo&#38;evo)]] ([[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:37, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

== Geographic data ==

While seeing geographical data on Wikidata connected to OSM a question arose that I am not able to answer:
What data is best kept only on OMS and what OSM data do we want a Wikidata item for? Where is the border/limit between these two? How much overlap should there be between Wikidata and OSM? {{unsigned|Daanvr}}
:I think instead of trying to find the exact universal line in the sand, it's better to just consider each individual case against the inclusion criteria of each project. As you're asking this on Wikidata, that just means following [[WD:N]]. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:55, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Daanvr}}You're asking a very broad questions. Maybe you can be a bit more specific with some examples?
::For example I've been connecting regions on Wikidata with OSM. So {{Q|Q2734574}} is connected with https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1028021 both ways. I'm using this for reverse geocoding. 
::In the Netherlands I think most municipalities and towns are pretty well connected, but we could even go one level lower and connect neighborhoods. At first that might not look so interesting, but if you combine that with the data from https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/reeksen/kerncijfers-wijken-en-buurten-2004-2019 you can make all sorts of nice visualizations on the fly. The geodata would be on OSM, the statistics in CBS and Wikidata acts as the glue. 
::Related to this, I like https://hicsuntleones.nl/monumenten/ as an example where data from different sources are combined. [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
: I'm not an expert on what kinds of data are in OSM, or on what is (or ought to be) linked in Wikidata, but for my purposes I would say:
:# Islands, lakes, rivers, mountains: all of them (whether we currenty have entities or not)
:# Political / administrative divisions and subdivisions: all of them, down to individual cities, neighborhoods, and other settlements (whether we currenty have entities or not)
:# Streets and railroad lines: no
:# Buildings, bridges, other structures: no (unless they're particularly notable ones we already have entities for)
:# Land cover: no
:# Elevation and hydrography data: no
:# Actual outline data for the entities in #1 and #2: yes, but only at the coarsest scale
: —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:09, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's germane here, but in many cities, neighborhoods are a bit vague, and a definition given at OSM may or may not be objective/sourced/verifiable/etc. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:08, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

== Phabricator task for mul and mul-Latn ==

I found an old ticket for the mul language code and revived it: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T43807 . I think it would be great to have more input on the phabricator ticket. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 21:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

== Cannot save wikilinks ==

{{Tracked|T247690}}
<s>On [[Q4663975]], I cannot save, I think that's because I earlier removed interwikis from wikicode on [[w:pl:WP:Łasice]]. The message shows "Could not save due to an error. The save has failed."</s> --<span style="font-family:Fira Sans,sans-serif">[[User:Keyacom|'''''<font color="#f33">Key</font><font color="#444">a</font><font color="#bbb">com</font>''''']] ([[User talk:Keyacom|💬]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keyacom|🖊]])</span> 11:00, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:Problem resolved: On Wikidata, this error appears when just one of the listed pages is a redirect page. --<span style="font-family:Fira Sans,sans-serif">[[User:Keyacom|'''''<font color="#f33">Key</font><font color="#444">a</font><font color="#bbb">com</font>''''']] ([[User talk:Keyacom|💬]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keyacom|🖊]])</span> 11:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
::Is that the problem I'm having at [[Q433174]]? -- [[User:Kendrick7|Kendrick7]] ([[User talk:Kendrick7|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:32, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
::: We can't see what problem you are having there. Please report technical issues to [[WD:DEV]] or [[phab:|Phabricator]] with steps to reproduce. --[[User:Matěj Suchánek|Matěj Suchánek]] ([[User talk:Matěj Suchánek|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:30, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm trying to add[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?curid=3097577] and it won't let me. Just now I can't even remove it from [[Q87470714]]. Both tell me my changes can't be saved. Usually magic elves come along and Wikidata poofs into existence on the pages I create on other projects, so I don't come over here too often; this has been straight forward in the past though. I'll try again after the workday and maybe try bugging those other project pages then. Thanks! -- [[User:Kendrick7|Kendrick7]] ([[User talk:Kendrick7|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:29, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: Both are correct:
:::::# One page can only be connected to a single item at a time (integrity check).
:::::# It doesn't say you cannot:
{{int:abusefilter-warning-10}}
:::::: The correct way is to follow [[Help:Merge]] (I wonder now if the warning should point to it). --[[User:Matěj Suchánek|Matěj Suchánek]] ([[User talk:Matěj Suchánek|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:45, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Huh. That link says: "Sitelinks can be moved manually from one item to another by first removing the link(s) from the obsolete item(s) (i.e. the item(s) you are merging from), and then adding it to the recipient item" which sounds an awful lot like what I've been trying to do.... -- [[User:Kendrick7|Kendrick7]] ([[User talk:Kendrick7|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:32, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::OK, I just tried it again and now everything worked fine. Go figure! Thanks for the help either way! -- [[User:Kendrick7|Kendrick7]] ([[User talk:Kendrick7|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:35, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Matěj Suchánek}} This is really a bug: see [[phab:T247690]].--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:39, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::But I just want to add the following wikilinks to [[Q6137590]]:
::::::::* [[:ar:ويكيبيديا:لجنة الترحيب]]
::::::::* [[:de:Wikipedia:Begrüßung]]
::::::::* [[:ko:위키백과:환영위원회]]
::::::::* [[:ja:あいさつ同好会]]
::::::::* [[:zh:Wikipedia:維基小天使]]
::::::::Help me, as I get the error that the save has failed, but not due to an abuse filter. These interwikis have to be moved to Wikidata from [[w:pl:Wikipedia:Komitet powitalny]]. --<span style="font-family:Fira Sans,sans-serif">[[User:Keyacom|'''''<font color="#f33">Key</font><font color="#444">a</font><font color="#bbb">com</font>''''']] ([[User talk:Keyacom|💬]] | [[Special:Contributions/Keyacom|🖊]])</span> 11:37, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::: Q6137590 already has links to those wikis. You cannot since the links are redirects which are not permitted. --[[User:Matěj Suchánek|Matěj Suchánek]] ([[User talk:Matěj Suchánek|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:54, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello all, it seems that the bug you encounter is connected to [[phab:T247712]]. People in WMF's performance team are working on it to solve the issue. [[User:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:40, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

== How many IDs will each instance of P1580 have? ==

If the data being added at {{Q|1339}} is any indication, then we may want to remove {{P|1580}}. [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1339&type=revision&diff=1136904984&oldid=1136638406 Witness]

Either the property is useless because there are dozens of IDs for the same thing, or something about the University's interface is producing multiple false values. I mention it here in case similar issues with this property are appearing on other data items. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
:The IDs appear to have been set against the wrong items. For example, [https://crai.ub.edu/sites/default/files/autoritats/permanent/a1370581 ID a1370581] is about {{q|642010}} not {{Q|1339}}. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:57, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Magnus Manske}} Your bot appears to be placing these wrong IDs on {{Q|1339}}. Can you please investigate and implement a fix to your bot's behaviour? I suspect that any attempt to clean up the item will just be undone by your bot. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:42, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

::We may have to just block the bot. It's made the same mistakes again [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1339&curid=1735&diff=1137184275&oldid=1137175849 see] and the last few messages I've posted to Magnus Manske about his bot have been met with replies that the bot is working fine and he will fix nothing. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Looking into it more, the bot may be functioning correctly. It is taking information entered into the "mix and match" tool and copying it to Wikidata. The problem lies in how to prevent the wrong data from appearing in the tool. I haven't encountered the tool before but I will investigate. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:59, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I've manually updated all of the entries I could find in the mix'n'match tool, so those ones won't be restored. The bot will restore any that I missed though; don't remove them until you have updated their entry at mix'n'match or the bot will just revert you. The mix'n'match URL is in the bot's edit summary. If you are not sure what to do, I'll make the updates when I have time. I'll keep the page in my watchlist. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:05, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I have a related question on this. {{p|P1580}} has been set with a constraint of human only, but we have found here that the ID is also used for creative works. I'm unfamiliar with altering propoerties. Do I just jump in and make a change or does it require discussion (as it is used on thousands of pages)? [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
: The approval discussion said the property would be limited to persons.  That should not be changed without discussion, but since the values are not limited to persons, it may call into question the original approval. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:58, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

The bot continues to [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1339&type=revision&diff=1137827620&oldid=1137443456 add multiple values] and I've now seen bad values being added to other data items and for other properties.  '''On data items where here I have checked, there have been more bad values added than good values.''' --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:56, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

== Is there an automated way to reorder a list in Wikidata ==

At {{Q|Q68255449}} I have a list of participants in an event, I add the people as I figure out who they are and make an entry for them in Wikidata. That leads to a list not in ordinal order, is there a way to reorder them, so I do not have to do it by hand? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
: {{ping|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )}} Less wieldy than you might have been hoping for, but try this: 
{{SPARQL|query=SELECT ?event ?eventLabel ?ordinal ?participant ?participantLabel ?participantDescription WHERE {
  BIND (wd:Q68255449 AS ?event)
  ?event p:P710 ?statement .
  ?statement ps:P710 ?participant ;
             pq:P1545 ?ordinal .
  SERVICE wikibase:label {
     bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" .
 }
} ORDER BY xsd:integer(?ordinal)}}
[[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:12, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
: You would think that this would be the sort of thing that [[MediaWiki:Gadget-statementSort.js]] might do, but apparently not. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

== {{Q|6}}? ==

Hi! I was just going through the low-numbered items out of curiosity, when I found that {{Q|6}} does not exist. I looked at [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Q6 its public logs], and it apparently never did. '''Why was this number skipped?''' Was there a technical reason, a glitch, something lost when the servers changed at some point, etc.? [[User:DemonDays64|DemonDays64]] | [[User talk:DemonDays64|Talk to me]] 13:49, 20 March 2020 (UTC) {{ppor}}

: I don't know the answer, but I've wondered the same thing about [[Property:P1|P1]], [[Property:P2|P2]], [[Property:P3|P3]], [[Property:P4|P4]], and [[Property:P5|P5]]. —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:Some Q numbers were reserved. Those that were created can be seen in the earliest contributions of [[Special:Contributions/127.0.0.1]], but others were not used, such as Q6. Higher numbers that were never created, such as {{Q|Q26536624}}, were unsuccessful attempts to create an item, for example if name and description matched an existing item. I don't know about the properties, if any numbers were reserved there. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{re|Peter James}} Why reservation was needed? [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:::It wasn't needed, [[Wikidata:Humour]] explains (although not all in that list were reserved - when Q12321 and Q12345 were created it was possible to look at the newest items and create a new item that would probably have the next number). [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
{{section resolved|[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:32, 24 March 2020 (UTC)}}

== Author= for anonymous news articles ==

For anonymous news articles Author=anonymous or Author=unknown_value or Author=no_value or Author=unknown or just not add an author property? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
:Definitely "unknown" (if it's actually unknown--if it's anonymous but we do know the author, include it). Anonymous authors ''are'' authors, so it's incorrect to say that there is no value, it's just a value that we don't know. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:19, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
:Please don't use "unknown". Writing is an art, even if done anonymously. For works by unknown artists, we use "anonymous". The problem with "unknown" on Wikidata is that it translates to "no value", so for example it could have been a chimpanzee. We know it was written by a human. [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{Reply to|Jane023|}} No, it does not translate to « no value », which is a thing on Wikidata. Maybe some people interpret it that way, this is a mistake and they should be corrected and not maintained into a false belief. One big problem, I think, is to translate its own cultural judgement into Wikidata … translating « unknown » to « anonymous » is definitely a possibility at the data consumption step, for example in a query code or an infobox code. This does not mean that there is a need to use a special value « anonymous ». The fact that an author is usually human is represented in Wikidata … on the « author » property page, as a constraint (the domain constraint one). So « no », logically, this does not imply in Wikidata that the author can be a monkey. It implies in the Wikidata language that it’s probably a human. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 10:18, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::Thus my "Please", for all the reasons you gave. The word "anonymous" is often used for "unknown" as well as "known but desires anonymity". The convention in art historical terms is to use "anonymous". [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Jane023}} Wikidata does not have to use the convention, it just has to represent the fact that it has been published anonymously. We may need a qualifier or something like that, to be defined. But using a « special value item » is probably not the way to go. Imagine a query of all the text of different authors, for example, « anonymous » ( and also « some value » / « no value » but this is irreducible) would need special treatments for « anonymous » not being the most prolific author of all times … This is probably not the way to go. We need another representation and we can do better, maybe a qualifier or a property « publication mode » (values « anonymous », « pseudonymous ») or something like that, to denote voluntarily anonymous publication and this other kind of specificity. 
::: This would have the advantage that if an anonymous author is later revealed and published, we can add the value to the statement without losing the fact that it was published anonymously. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 11:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::::Exactly. Nice to see you're in agreement then! [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:18, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: To be sure, my positition is use {{unknown value}} with some additional informations, probably in forms of a property that does not exist yet. Not « anonymous » as a value. <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 11:26, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
* The existing item {{Q|4233718}} violates our ontology and as such shouldn't be used. Using it means that peoples will be told that two items are by the same author when that's not true. Author=unknown_value is the correct way to note the relationship. In case you want to add more information {{P|3831}} can be used to add them. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 19:19, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
* I am really interested in reaching consensus on this and documenting that consensus as a best practice on our Help pages and in [[Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure]] (where the current recommendation is to use {{Q|Q4233718}} when the {{P|170}} is unknown).  I would be most comfortable with {{unknown value}} with {{P|P5997}} "anonymous" in the references where that is the case, but I don't strongly care what the consensus is as long as there is one. I don't know what I ought to use and that bothers me. - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|PKM}} I like your suggestion. That feels like a rich way of modeling it. [[User:Ainali|Ainali]] ([[User talk:Ainali|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:22, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
* Using an actual "anonymous" item instead of the special <unknown value> (with good qualifiers) is not really ontologically sound and would lead to data users having to create an unnecessary special case for this "anonymous" item or else that would become a really prolific nobody in data queries. —[[User:Seav|seav]] ([[User talk:Seav|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:57, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
* "Author=unknown_value" is the best way to go. "Author=no_value" would mean an article without author (maybe if it's auto-generated? maybe a chimpanzee, but some may argue that animals do have author rights so not sure it fits). Author=anonymous (I'm assuming here "anonymous" is the item {{Q|4233718}}) is not wrong ''per see'' but very tricky, it could lead to several problem, like believing a same person wrote text for millennia :/ (obviously, there is an exception for edge cases, like when the person is known but not their name, {{Q|632385}} for instance). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:59, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh no, we're having this discussion again! :-) I'm actually quite happy this is put forward again because it has been bothering me for a while. Wikidata is a wiki and a wiki works by consensus. Our current consensus for art is documented at [[Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure]] and is to use {{Q|Q4233718}}. Another aspect of a wiki is to try things, change things and improve things. As mentioned above, the current way of using {{Q|Q4233718}} makes it harder to work with our data. It's a like an extra special value that is not easy to pinpoint. I think the source of the problem is what exactly ''[[:mw:Wikibase/DataModel#PropertySomeValueSnak|some value]]'' means. The interface makes it look like "unknown value", but it's much broader than that. It's for everything where we know we have some value (as opposed to no value), but we don't know what that value is in our ontology or we know we don't have an item for that in our ontology and everything in between. Do we agree on this part? 

I would love to switch to ''some value'' (yes, I prefer using that over ''unknown value'') for art and particularly paintings. Yes, it will cost us some time to do conversion, but that has never kept us from doing much larger projects. In the current situation we use {{P|170}} -> {{Q|Q4233718}} and it might have some qualifiers. In the new situation we would use {{P|170}} -> ''some value'' with qualifier {{P|3831}} -> {{Q|Q4233718}} and whatever qualifiers we already have (and maybe {{P|P5997}} in the reference section).

I hope we can reach consensus here. I'll advertise this discussion in several places so people have the possibility to comment. [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
:This impacts the rules for copyright in Wikidata as well as Commons. We have anonymous in the legal sense as 'first publication without the name of the author published' (70 years after publication rule for pseudonymous and anonymous works), and we have works were we are not sure of who the author is, as well we have works like old paintings without the name of the creator, but 'problably painted by' or 'school of', or 'master of'. For mass imports to convert all this kind of 'anonymous' to all kind of unknown values, this should be handled by special bots as we can't ask insitutions to convert their logic where those are identitities in their system to our logic. --[[User:Hannolans|Hannolans]] ([[User talk:Hannolans|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:08, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
::So, this is a good thing, right? [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:37, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

:<small>Moved Jane's response here from [[Wikidata talk:WikiProject Visual arts]][[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)</small>
:I am really very sorry to see that discussion take a wrong turn. If you look at the historiography of art history and attributions, you see attributions bounce around between non-names, anonymous, and various creators. The word "anonymous" is a standard, no matter what form of art it is. There is a very small group of works that are signed "anonymous" when the creator is in fact common knowledge, but to be clear, that is not the meaning that is currently the subject of the conversation. My opinion remains that using {{Q|Q47365}} is the correct item to use in {{P|P170}} statements. [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Jane023}} I assume you meant {{Q|4233718}} and not {{Q|Q47365}}. We're not removing {{Q|4233718}}, we're only moving it to the qualifier {{P|3831}}. No data is lost. [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:37, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
: Hello. Imho, the differents approachs are not necessary a problem, because it depends on the area of contribution. I must say on this question I even don't agree with myself. There are different and contradictory approaches:
:* ontologic approach
:We don't know the creator, there is a way in Wikidata for this, so claim with "unknow" value. Discussion closed.
:* domain-based approach
:Anonymous sounds absurd for ancient objects but for artworks it's very common.
:* approach according to art history and knowledge bases 
: In art history and in databases, especially in collection website, there is very often anonymous. It is even generally the case for modern visual artworks collection when creator is unknown. If Wikidata has vocation to base claims on knowledge database and references sourced, and to link knowledge data, so we maybe should preserve this approach. [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] is right to aware us on this point.
:* approach according to the historical notion of creator in visual art
:It's a new version of the Quarrel of the Ancients and the Moderns! Not signing an atwork is the practice before Renaissance and after could be a choice, especially in painting. In the first case, the creator could be unknown and in the second the creator is anonymous. Both are true. That's why imho we have different approachs,  depending on the area in which we contribute. The idea to associate a person (or several) to an artwork is now systematic  for modern artworks and "anonymous" become the standard way to express it when a name is missing.
:So, in Wikidata in artworks domain, we see this two differences in contributions on the main lines: 
:Creator:Unknow value until Renaissance 
:Creator:Anonymous after Renaissance
:I think we should keeping things like this and for myself that's the ways I contribute, "Unknow value" for antiques, except rare exceptions, and anonymous for modern visual artworks.
:And in others domain, like litterature, things could be different.
:Best regards --[[User:Shonagon|Shonagon]] ([[User talk:Shonagon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
::You seem to have missed the part about not removing anonymous, but moving it to a qualifier. Or at least you didn't address this point in your response. [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:12, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:::I saw it. It's factually the unknow approach, called ''some value'', with a complex and subtle add for anonymous. Imho it will be hard to understand, edit and link. For example if someone want to extract easily data on an artwork set with the creator. Wikidata is made to be reused and unfortuntely for outside I doubt that such statements makes the journey. Best regards --[[User:Shonagon|Shonagon]] ([[User talk:Shonagon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
OK for the record I would approve using Marie Antoinette for anonymous! Just kidding. As I see it, the problem is with how we expect queries to behave after implementation. We either expect Mr. Anonymous aka Marie Antoinette to have millions of works, or we expect to have millions of works by unique, nameless individuals. Neither is optimal, but since the historic literature (i.e. book indexes including entries for "anonymous") chooses anonymous, this is the easiest and least ambiguous way to do it. You can always put lots of qualifiers on any item of course, and I have considered making items for "Circle of Rembrandt" where I make it instance of not-name, but give it members (all pupils and colleagues of Leiden and/or Amsterdam). [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:00, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:I would definitely support switching from anonymous to somevalue. That is really what we aim to express here, and Wikidata is more concerned about meaning that about words. I am actuually not sure about the use of {{Q|Q4233718}} in qualifiers actually. Note that "anonymous" has at least two, essentially opposite meanings that may require two different items: 
:* a work whose creator's name has not beed passed down to us, but was known at the time. Say a sculpture in a gothic cathedral.
:* a work whose creator was originally undisclosed but may have been revealed later, say some political pamphlets or {{Q|150827}}. -[[User:Zolo|Zolo]] ([[User talk:Zolo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:49, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Apart from the ontological discussions, consider a practical implication: the blank nodes used in "unknown value" cause significant reduction in Wikidata's update rate capacity: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T239414. I vote to use "anonymous" --[[User:Vladimir Alexiev|Vladimir Alexiev]] ([[User talk:Vladimir Alexiev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:44, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

== COVID-19 situation dashboard ==

I made [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fdates%20%3FcaseNo%20%3FdeathNo%20%3FcountryLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%20%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ83741704%20.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP17%20%3Fcountry%20.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP1603%20%3Fcases%20.%0A%20%20%3Fcases%20ps%3AP1603%20%3FcaseNo%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20pq%3AP585%20%3Fdates%20.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%7B%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP1120%20%3Fdeaths%20.%0A%20%20%3Fdeaths%20pq%3AP585%20%3Fdates%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20ps%3AP1120%20%3FdeathNo%20.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%20%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20%3Fcountry%20%3Fdates%0A a query] fetching case numbers and death toll by country by date. But data is not up-to-date. Would you help updating the situations of your country? Best regards. – [[User:Kwj2772|Kwj2772]] ([[User talk:Kwj2772|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks for the query &mdash; I [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:WikiProject_Humanitarian_Wikidata&oldid=1136431442#COVID-19_outbreak_dashboard copied it over] to [[Wikidata:WikiProject Humanitarian Wikidata]]. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] ([[User talk:Daniel Mietchen|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:06, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

By the way, the local epidemic are a mess. To indicate a location, we have at least 3 properties used : {{P'|country}} / {{P'|location}} and {{P'|jurisdiction}} as a qualifier of {{instance of}}. This does not make easy, for example, to write a graph of deaths by country.
For {{P'|country}}, for example, we also have some items (like the one for the whole Europe) with several countries values … <span style="border: 1px #C9C9C9;"><span style="background-color:#E8E8E8;padding:3px;">author&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:#FFFFFF;">&nbsp;[[User:TomT0m|TomT0m]] / </span>talk [[User talk:TomT0m|page]]</span> 16:36, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

== {{P|3629}} ==

{{P|3629}} should be aloved for any information especially for this information whose date is unknown like beginning of musical carrer etc. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
: {{ping|Eurohunter}} I can't see this property in your recent contributions.  Can you please give some more information about: what you tried to do; what you expected to happen; and what happened instead?  Cheers, [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{re|Bovlb}} {{Q|59437791}} [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Eurohunter}} Ah.  I see that {{Q|59437791}} is a stage name for {{Q| Q383541}}.  I think I would expect to see {{P|3629}} used as a qualifier on a {{P|P793}} claim on a person.  If you used in on a stage name, would it refer to the age of the underlying person or the age of the stage name? [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:49, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: {{re|Bovlb}} I thought it will be obvious that age with {{P|580}} would mean age of person during occurrence of event (age of person which started using stage name in this case). [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:55, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Eurohunter}} Let me see if I understand what you are saying.  You want to give a stage name a start time (as in the time that the underlying person started using that stage name), and further qualify that claim with the age the person was (stated to be) at the time.  Is that right? [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:15, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::: {{re|Bovlb}} Yes [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:40, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::: {{ping|Eurohunter}} OK.  I think it would be more natural to represent that on the person, but all it seems redundant when we know the date of birth of a person.  To be honest, I am not inclined to reify a stage name at all, unless there is something interesting to say about it, apart from the underlying person. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:10, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

== Mark an Item for check ==

Hello,
I am interested in Ambassadors and other public positions and I try to get an overview about them. The Label of the following item is not the full one and I want to change it. {{Q|22230846}} is about the ambassodor of Germany in Switzerland. It also serves for Liechtenstein and this is included in the full title but not in the label of the item. In cases like that I am not able to change all labels in the different languages. Is it possible to mark items like that one, that other people can help me by translating the labels. I know that there are some filters and lists out of these filters. I think that after the number of items who hit a criteria is at some filters high it is then not easy possible to look them through. How should things like that be handled. -- [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

:Can't answer the question about labels. The change you're proposing is worrying. It only makes sense if all German ambassadors to Switzerland were at the same time German ambassadors to Lichtenstein, without exception. Are you sure this has always been the case, for all items on which we use the value? If not, then adding a new "German ambassador to S & L" would seem to be the way to go, rather than changing the meaning of the existing item. Changing meanings of items should always ring alarm bells; occasionally the change will better reflect the thing being modelled. More often it does unimagined damage. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
::I know that this is the case. There is since the begin of the diplomatic mission of the Federal Republik of Germany in Switzerland 1951 the same ambassador also serving for Liechtenstein. --[[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Yes, but the German Wikipedia lists German ambassadors to Switzerland since the 1800s. A simple name change could also imply the 1800s ambassadors also covered Liechtenstein. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Here is one that would be affected; {{Q|15837959}}. He is linked to {{Q|22230846}} but died in 1901. As already suggested, if you can source the combined name as current, then create a new item for it and migrate the relevant people to the new item. That will leave the older entries still pointing to the correct name. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:00, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
::::As you tell me I need to pay more attention in cases like that what happens throug my change and it is an example that it is not easy use the right item. There were other states before the Federal Repubublic of Germany and so the example uses at the moment a not correct item after Federal Republic of Germany started in 1949. For the periods before 1951 and the positions there I create another items. These are not the same positions.Is it right that there should be an own item for every position or when is a new item needed. For example if a minister gets further tasks and his title is changed through that. Is then a new item needed. It is not in every case clear what the official title is and usually the normally used title is not the full official title. Defining a correct label in different languages is not easy and if the number of positions describing mostly the same thing from usually used title increases then there should be a solution to find all these items. Is there a efficient way to search for aliasses. --[[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:17, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

== Mining COVID19 research using [R] and Wikidata ==

For people interested in [R], textmining, Wikidata, COVID19 and open data: project posted to text mine and analyse the covid literature, and annotate wikidata over at [[Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_COVID-19#Mining_COVID19_research_using_%5BR%5D_and_Wikidata|Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_COVID-19]]. [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(evo&#38;evo)]] ([[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:46, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

== Codes of lanuages ==

It's not the first time I saying it but it's impossible to obtain lanuage code from list of headers (labels) so If you see certain language in one item you are unable to add the same language to other item because you don't know its code. The only way to get them is to "provoking" edit/make "empty" edit of lasbels so their codes appear in item history. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
: You may be interested in the labelLister gadget.  See [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]]. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:19, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{re|Bovlb}} I have it enabled but it don't do any difference. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Eurohunter}} Do you see a tab between "Read" and "View history" that says "Labels list" (depending on your interface language, of course)?  When you click on it, do you see a table with language codes at the left?
::: An alternative, but somewhat more fiddly way to get label language codes from an item is to use the JSON view.  E.g. for {{Q| Q383541}}, change the URL to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q383541.json (does someone have a gadget to add a link for this?) and examine the "labels" section.   (You may want to install a "JSON Viewer" extension on your browser.) 
::: A third way would be to use SPARQL.  [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: {{re|Bovlb}} There are languages names "French", "German" etc. but there are no their codes "fr", "de" and vice versa with Json. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Eurohunter}} Hmm.  Are you using the released version or the beta version?  (I see the beta version has only language names.)  It should look like this image.  [[File:LabelLister.png|right|thumb]] [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:42, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::: {{re|Bovlb}} But there is no language name so it's pointless. There neeed to be both language name and their code somewhere. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::: {{ping|Eurohunter}}. OK.  I did not know that you needed both language code and language name, as you just asked for codes.  You might like to make a feature request at [[MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-labelLister.js]].  In the meantime, [https://w.wiki/Kqn here is a SPARQL query] that might meet some of your needs. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::: {{re|Bovlb}} SPARQL query looks promising solution but not include names of all lanuages. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::: https://w.wiki/Kqq - Better version [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:38, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

== Modelling sections and stages of hiking trails ==

Hi. I love hiking trails and work in OSM mapping them. There exist a lot of data about the different stages, their length, connection to other trails, whether you can bring a wheelchair, whether there is accomodation in each end of the stage, e.g. Currently none of this data is modeled in WD it seems. See e.g. {{Q|59780}}.
This particular trail also has 5 sections [https://www.swedishtouristassociation.com/areas/kungsleden/] which are subdivided into sections e.g. [https://www.swedishtouristassociation.com/trails/abisko-nikkaluokta/].
Would it be acceptable to create a Qitem for every section and stage to model this data? WDYT?--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:05, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:Yes. This is already done. See {{Q|27895202}} for an example. Otherwise, there is a list of useful properties [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Q67205850&namespace=120 here]. [[User:Thierry Caro|Thierry Caro]] ([[User talk:Thierry Caro|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

== Intentional sitelinks to redirects don't seem to work ==

Hi again! I just made {{Q|Q88081101}} and was trying to give it a sitelink to the redirect page [[wikipedia:Legion (novella)]] (which redirects to a page that has an item linked to it), but an error happens. Above the place where I typed in the sitelink, it says:

<blockquote>
Could not save due to an error.

The save has failed.
</blockquote>

This happens repeatedly, and with attempts to link different items to redirects. The very confusing thing is that you can mark a sitelink as an "intentional sitelink to redirect".

'''Is this a bug or an intended design to stop redirecting sitelinks from being added?''' Thanks, [[User:DemonDays64|DemonDays64]] | [[User talk:DemonDays64|Talk to me]] 14:36, 20 March 2020 (UTC) '''''{{ppor}}'''''
: I think I remember that it's intentional to prevent redirects from being added, but could be wrong about that. I think you can only link to a redirect if you link to a non-redirect page and then change it into a redirect. In the mean time, I've linked the book item to the series item. -- [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] ([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|talk]]) 15:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:: See [[Help:Handling_sitelinks_overlapping_multiple_items#Redirects]] and [[phab:T54564]] [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:25, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

:::The actual phab ticket is [[:phab:T235420]]. Those redirect badges were recently added, but they do not work yet as desired. The problem is already reported in the ticket. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:11, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

== Please protect [[Q1339]] ==

It looks as though someone has made multiple erroneous requests for {{user|Reinheitsgebot}} to add incorrect values to {{Q|1339}}, using {{P|1871}} and {{P|1580}}.

* [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1339&type=revision&diff=1137548581&oldid=1137539728], [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1339&diff=next&oldid=1137548581], [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1339&diff=next&oldid=1137549918], [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1339&diff=next&oldid=1137633808], [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1339&diff=next&oldid=1137723823], [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1339&type=revision&diff=1137896864&oldid=1137882084], [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1339&diff=next&oldid=1137910731]

{{user|From Hill To Shore}} cleared out many of these, but the bot keeps adding new values; values that are for works instead of the person, and values that are for other people. I have also requested help from {{user|Magnus Manske}}, but he insists his bot is doing what it is supposed to be doing and will not help. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:29, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|EncycloPetey|Magnus Manske|From Hill To Shore}} I fully protected Q1339 for a week. Here's hoping that the issues with the addition of faulty identifiers can be addressed before that week ends. Any other admin may undo this full protection, but I insist that they first consider whether the aggregation of that many errors on a single item is appropriate to allow. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:05, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Can you please link to the relevant conversation with Magnus Manske ?
:: It doesn't seem like fully-protecting an item is the right way to respond to a problem like this.  Do we have any reason to suppose that the problem is limited to one item?  
:: If this bot is just proxying edits for a Mix'n'match user who is logged in through OAuth, then why are the edits not credited to the user?  [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:08, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
::::(after edit conflict) From all the ones I fixed so far, they appear to have been auto-generated in mix'n'match in 2016. I don't think protecting the page will be productive here. The only way I have to find what needs fixing is through the bot importing the old and incorrect data. As soon as protection expires the bot edits will continue. However, if someone more knowledgeable on mix'n'match is able to produce a data dump of all entries pointing to {{Q|1339}} then we can work through resolving the errors before the protection expires. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:23, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
::::I've now found how to see every entry linked to a Q at mix'n'match and am breaking the links from bad items where I find them. For some reason the tool has automatically matched a large number of entries simply because they have a first name of Johann (or similar). God knows the quality of data being imported across the project if this is the quality of matching. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:54, 18 March 2020 (UTC) 
::: {{ping|Bovlb}} I don't know how to link to the sort of talk page threads used on his talk page, but the most recent conversation about this kind of problem is titled: "Bad LoC data link". And no, this isn't limited to just {{Q|1339}}.  Other recent instances of similar bad data being added are [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q75854&diff=prev&oldid=1136368801], [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1219239&diff=prev&oldid=1136637269], but for these other instances, only a single bad data value was added. For {{Q|1339}} it is a flood of bad data, and hence we've now had two threads in Project chat trying to resolve the problem. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:19, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: Ah.  I see [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Project_chat&oldid=1138030509#How_many_IDs_will_each_instance_of_P1580_have? this thread above], and also [[Topic:Vinm5yw46zr6f1r0]] (select "permalink" from the "..." menu on the right).  
:::: I still don't understand why we have tools that make changes on behalf of users without identifying them. See also [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive/2019/10#QuickStatementsBot_%28continued%29 this thread]. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:27, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: Indeed. Neither is the User identified in the edit comment, nor is the link active to the Mix'n'Match tool.  So, I have to copy-paste the link to another window to access the edit request page, and then manually remove the action item. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:40, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::: I started [[Wikidata_talk:Bots#Unattributed_proxy_edits|a thread]] about requiring proxying bots to attribute edits to a specific user.  My view is that either botops should be responsible for their bot's edits, or they should indicate who is responsible.  The third path we're on here, where the botop won't take responsibility, but there is no-one else to blame, does not seem defensible. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

:: Good grief.  Protecting an individual entity isn't just a bad/ought-to-be-unnecessary idea, it sounds like it's not even sufficient, if there are unknown numbers of other entities also being affected.
:: Seems to me we just have to temporarily ''stop the bot''!  I'm not blaming the bot or its owner, but until we can properly vet the input, the bot is doing more harm than good. —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
::: I would have thought that it would have been exceptional for a bot adding identifiers to add more than one value for a specific identifier property to a specific item (and perhaps vice versa). It appears that this bot has been adding multiple values to {{Q|1339}} since 2016-04-04T09:53:55‎, when it added dozens of {{P|949}}s. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:13, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

I think I have managed to clear out all of the bad entries for Johann Sebastian Bach at mix'n'match (assuming the search returned all of the linked entries), so the page protection can probably be lifted (the bot will probably still try to load in the remaining valid entries). However, that doesn't address the wider problem. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:15, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:Just spotted that we have the same problem at {{Q|Q255}}. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:46, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
:Also: {{Q|Q183713}}, {{Q|Q437543}}, {{Q|Q242095}}, {{Q|Q228546}}, {{Q|Q448}}, {{Q|Q193357}}, {{Q|Q35064}}, {{Q|Q156736}}, {{Q|Q207544}} & {{Q|Q93444}}. All of these edits made by the bot in the last 2.5 hours. I've only looked at the Barcelona ID and have not checked any further back in time. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
:: I found more in the most recent contributions.  I have blocked the bot for now until Magnus can sort out what is going on. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:24, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
::: I was not aware of systematic errors (rather than occasional, manual false matches in MnM). I have [https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/mixnmatch/commits/bbe6a69498e02c434e84251e8637547cf52ebf58 altered the bot code] to not add values to an existing property, based on a manually curated property whitelist. I will try to sort out the mismatches in MnM later. Please unblock Reinheitsgebot again. --[[User:Magnus Manske|Magnus Manske]] ([[User talk:Magnus Manske|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:43, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Magnus Manske}} {{Done}} with pleasure [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:55, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: Thanks! Someone please let me know if there are other "systematic" issues. --[[User:Magnus Manske|Magnus Manske]] ([[User talk:Magnus Manske|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

== Archive URLs never load ==

Is it just me or do web.archive.org URLs never work? I always seem to get an ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED error. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|SilentSpike}} I get the same as well once in a while. Just delete your internet browser cache. --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::Unfortunately doesn't seem to fix the issue for me. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:02, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

== Clarification which one is correct {{St|Q30029740|P31|Q7868}} or {{St|Q30029740|P279|Q7868}} - and how can we make it easier for people to understand. ==

So me and {{Ping|Eihel}} is having a bit of a disagreement - I think this statement is correct {{St|Q30029740|P279|Q7868}} from my understanding from [[Help:Basic_membership_properties]]. [[User:Eihel|Eihel]] thinks {{St|Q30029740|P31|Q7868}} (or even {{St|Q30029740|P31|Q4936952}} as it is now) is correct. Can we get some other inputs here, and can we maybe make a list of incorrect uses of {{P|P31}} and {{P|P279}} - I started one here but I think we can put it in a better place [[Help_talk:Basic_membership_properties#Examples_of_incorrect_use]]. This is relevant for [[Property_talk:P7963#type_constraint|this discussion]]. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:00, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

{{Ping project|Ontology}}
{{Ping project|property constraints}}
* Given the way it's currently setup it's {{St|Q30029740|P31|Q189118}} and {{St|Q30029740|P279|Q7868}}. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#necessary_property_for_class is one proposal from me to make it more clear what {{P|31}} means within Wikidata. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 15:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

== How to model closure of a venue/business/amenity due to COVID-19? ==

What is the best way to model closure of a venue/business/amenity due to COVID-19? Some ideas:
# {{P|5817}} {{Q|55653430}} with qualifiers {{P|828}} {{Q|81068910}}, {{P|6949}}, {{P|580}} and {{P|582}}.
# {{P|793}} {{Q|55653430}} with qualifiers {{P|828}} {{Q|81068910}}, {{P|6949}}, {{P|580}} and {{P|582}}.

{{Ping project|COVID-19}}

[[User:Dhx1|Dhx1]] ([[User talk:Dhx1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
:For borders, I've started to update such as {{Q|Q1057263}}. [[User:Bouzinac|Bouzinac]] ([[User talk:Bouzinac|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:57, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
::I suggest a new property may be useful in relation to borders, one that is based on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access and allows modelling of restrictions against {{Q|1344824}}. The property could perhaps be broad enough to allow modelling of access restrictions to cross borders, enter buildings, participate in events, etc. Qualifiers could include:
::* {{P|4967}} or new property to state which visa, permit or other documentation may be required.
::* {{P|6001}} to state that the access restriction applies to a particular group of people (by profession, citizenship, etc).
::[[User:Dhx1|Dhx1]] ([[User talk:Dhx1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Yes, I wish I could query the current closed borders and map their (red) lines... [https://www.timaticweb.com/ Timatic] might help on this topic. {{ping|Twofortnights}}, is there any dataset/database that could be useful to modelize (for instance US normally require Europeans an Esta, North Korean people cannot enter South Korea etc)  [[User:Bouzinac|Bouzinac]] ([[User talk:Bouzinac|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:52, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

== Death per year for countries ==

Hello, is {{P|P1120}} the correct property to state the number of deaths per year for a said country ? For example : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q142#P1120 [[User:Bouzinac|Bouzinac]] ([[User talk:Bouzinac|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:04, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

== Something wrong here? ==

I don't know how to model [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3041202#P172 this] better but this seems al wrong to me in the current form.--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:09, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
: Hmm.  I think it would be more logical to add the same value (e.g. "Macedonians") multiple times, with a single population and point in time qualifier in each.  It makes no sense to have the qualifiers as "parallel arrays" as this is lost in the RDF. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:11, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, you need multiple of the same value with differing qualifiers. Then set the preferred rank on the most recent claims. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:37, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
::: I have proposed [[Wikidata:Property proposal/subpopulation 2]] for one solution.--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:39, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
::Also, on a second look, I don't think P172 should be used as a main claim like this. It's intended to link the ethnic group of the subject (item the statement is on). Unsure how best to capture population ethnicity breakdown like is trying to be done here, but the main statement should almost certainly be P1082. [Wrote this in the time which above reply was posted, may be your best bet]. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:43, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

== Unknown and no value ==

When to use unknown and no value? [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:44, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
: [[Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values]] is a good starting point. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:09, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

== Tracking which items that had a specific property removed ==

Is there a way to find out which items, say within the last week, that a specific property was removed from? For example, if I wanted to see which items in the last week that {{P|1469}} was removed from? [[User:S.A. Julio|S.A. Julio]] ([[User talk:S.A. Julio|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:23, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

== minimystery wrt quantity display ==

Take a look at {{Q|174789}}.  For me, at least, the values of {{P|2370}} and {{P|2442}} are showing the associated units as raw Q-numbers, not as labels as they usually do.  But this is not happening for other units (or other quantities elsewhere), just for [[Q174789]].  How could that be?  (Per a [[Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2020/03#label service caching issue?|recent question]], I tried purging the cache, but that didn't help.) —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:34, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:Hey, yes. It was caused by reworking the term store. Doing an edit for the item fixed it now. Let me know if the problem persists or it continues to happen in other places. [[User:Amir Sarabadani (WMDE)|Amir Sarabadani (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Amir Sarabadani (WMDE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{Re|Amir Sarabadani (WMDE)}} You said "fixed it now", but {{Q|174789}} still looks the same to me.  Are you suggesting I should make a dummy edit there, and that that will fix the problem? —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Scs}}. Thanks. It was another problem that is tracked in [[phab:T238473]]. It should be fixed now (purge the item's cache with ?action=purge if it still persists) [[User:Amir Sarabadani (WMDE)|Amir Sarabadani (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Amir Sarabadani (WMDE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:18, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
::: Looks good now.  Thanks. —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:57, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

== Date of baptism and religion, continued ==

From [[Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2020/03#Date of baptism/religion]]. In that discussion, I suggested it was not a good idea to have the constraint asking for religion when adding a date of baptism. Is it going to be removed? I'm not the only one who expressed doubts about it, although the discussion is not resolved yet. I think this is a case of "when in doubt, leave it out" [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
* You are baptized into a specific religion, if you switch religions, then use the start and end date. If you know the baptism date, then you know the religion. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:*Not necessarily. I have seen sources that say a person was baptised on a particular date but don't mention a religion. Usually these are records from very long ago and you can infer the religion due to one being dominant in that particular state. For example, if someone from England was recorded by a source as baptised in 1553, the odds are very good that they were Christian (though whether Protestant or Catholic is less certain). While the religion can be inferred, you can't really put a reference against it. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::: This may be a European-American cultural difference! I have talked to some people in Germany who say "I'm a Lutheran, I suppose, anyhow that's what I was baptised and what's on my papers, not that I ever go to church." Whereas to me as an American it seems like religion is a matter of belief and you're misrepresenting someone by stating they have a certain religion if they don't actually practise it. So I would rather not run the risk of making a false claim about someone by putting in a "religion" statement, unless you actually know something about their adult beliefs. Again, I say, err on the safe side and omit the religion statement ... [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:24, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::::If you have evidence of baptism and the related religion then we should insert the appropriate religion. It is a correct statement that they were part of that religion when baptised. If you have evidence of different adult beliefs then set qualifiers for religion with a start time of baptism and end time of when your source says (use "latest date" if your source of alternative belief doesn't say the specific date of change). [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:37, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: I disagree with that. Almost always you are not going to know an end date or any positive information about their actual beliefs, leaving to be inferred that they kept the same religion all their life -- I just don't want to run the risk of misrepresenting someone like that. "Don't know" should always be clearly marked as "don't know." So how about this? Have a property "religion of childhood baptism." That says exactly no more than what it says. [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:45, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::"Don't know" is definitely the wrong stance here. If we have a reliable source that states something at a point in time, then we do know. It would be misrepresenting them to say otherwise. Denying a sourced religious belief (even in childhood) is just as damaging as implying an unsourced religious belief in adulthood. A new property could work if it gets broader support. One issue you may have with your philosophy though is when do you draw the line? Hypothetically, we get the new property and say someone was baptised a catholic before their first birthday. We then get another source that says they were still going to church at the age of 10. In your view would it be okay to use the Religion parameter then, or is it also invalid as they are still a child? Unless you can clarify your position on the age when you are willing to accept someone's belief as sufficient evidence for usage on Wikidata, a new parameter is only going to be a patch on the problem. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:00, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: Baptism shortly after birth may tell you something about someone's parents' religious affiliation or beliefs, but I don't see how it can tell you anything about their own. Do we also (for example) consider Mormon baptisms of the dead to retroactively make people Mormons, even if the religion didn't yet exist in their lifetime, or if they were (for example) Jews killed during the Holocaust? Obviously, an adult convert who gets baptised is normally an entirely different matter, but even there: what about mass baptisms by the priests who accompanied the Conquistadors? Did that really turn a bunch of American Natives into Catholics?
::::: In a similar matter: as an atheist of Jewish ancestry, I am certainly a Jew by Halachic law, and I'll even help out my religious friends when they need an extra adult male Jew for a ''minyan'', but that doesn't change my religious beliefs or affiliation. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:09, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::I have no personal view on religious beliefs as I am approaching this from the impartial position that we should reflect the source material as best we can. If we have a fact from a reliable source, we should not be deleting it because it makes us uncomfortable. Instead of deleting, as a bare minimum we should be [[Help:Deprecation|deprecating the statement]] with a qualifier that we need more sources to support it (possibly {{Q|Q25895909}}, {{Q|Q35779580}}  or {{Q|Q21655367}}). One thing I've noticed is that we have yet to link to the property in question; {{P|P140}}. Now it may not be the case with every language, but several of the descriptions that I can interpret say this property includes those who are "associated" with the religion. The very act of being baptised establishes the association. If you want to convert the property to a meaning of "confirmed belief" or "confirmed affiliation," then that would support your argument. The change in property would need a broader discussion though. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::: To "reflect the source material as best we can" would be to state just that the source material exists without adding any additional assumptions or inferences. As was pointed out in the previous iteration of this discussion, sometimes parents are compelled to acquire documentation from their locally dominant religion even if they don't believe in it. Now, there's an argument to be had regarding religion as a collective social phenomenon, which we can talk about someone's participation in while avoiding inquiring into their internal thoughts, but that's a subtle argument that Wikidata editors should not have to think about every single time they enter a baptism date! No, there should just be a property (independent or as a qualifier) indicating what religion the document is for, end of matter. That is indisputably factual in anyone's eyes. [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:31, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::A new parameter won't fix the problem unless you also gain consensus to reduce the scope of the existing parameter. So long as "association" is the threshold for adding {{P|P140}}, it is, to use your words, indisputably factual that the baptism has established an association. Unless you are offering to patrol every single addition of {{P|P140}} in the database, a clarification/reduction in scope of the existing parameter is the only way to achieve your goal. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:13, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
* Would it be possible to use {{P|140}} as a qualifier on {{P|1636}}? To me, it doesn't make sense to consider a baby as following a particular religion, even if a religious organization may consider them a member. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:39, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
*Further to the discussion above, to achieve the intended outcome, you will need to separate the threshold of "association" from {{P|P140}}. Tinkering with the scope of an existing parameter is a bad idea as it changes the interpretation of every item it is currently linked to. Instead, I would advise gaining consensus to split the single parameter into separate parameters and then deprecating the original. You can have your "Religion of baptism" as one parameter but we would also need a "Practised religion" for where there is evidence of continued involvement. We could also have "Professed religious belief" if desired. We would certainly need a property for "Associated religion" but with a constraint that it can't be used on human items; that will allow items about buildings or artifacts to still be linked to the related religion. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Define ''religion'' in this context. Is it just christian, muslim, hindu, buddhist, pastafarian etc, or should it somehow differentiate between some fractions of those cults, like shiite vs. sunni, or catholic vs. protestant, or even further down the schisms, down to the [[:en:The People's Front of Judea]] kind of infighting? Grüße vom [[User:Sänger|Sänger ♫]] <sup> ([[User Talk:Sänger|talk]])</sup> 10:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
:Instances of {{Q|9174}}. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 14:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
::I fail to see the list of allowed religions, and on what level of differentiation this should be put to the items. Where is it hidden? Grüße vom [[User:Sänger|Sänger ♫]] <sup> ([[User Talk:Sänger|talk]])</sup> 17:19, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Um, let me refer back to the actual issue in question which is in danger of getting lost: The point was the ''constraint'' recently added to {{P|1636}} "An entity with date of baptism in early childhood should also have a statement religion." Now, since we have seen that the issue of stating a person's religion is complicated and contentious, ''why'' have this constraint, forcing people to confront the vexed question every time they enter a baptism date simply as proxy for birthdate? No no no. [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
: When we say that a person's occupation is "laywer" without specifying anything about when that's true, we are saying that there was at least some time in the life of the person where they were a laywer. We aren't saying that they were a lawyer with 10 years. There's no false statement if we have statement that someone's religion is X if it was at some time and their lives and not other times of their lives. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 14:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I think {{u|Levana Taylor}} has this exactly right. The religion should be a property of the baptism, not of the person. The person's religion is a separate matter. {{u|ChristianKl}}, as has been made clear by several examples she an I have brought forward, it is quite possible for someone to have been baptised into a religion that neither they nor their parents ever subscribed to. To underline with an obvious example: even if you were "free evangelical" in 19th-century Norway, you still had to have your children baptised in the State church. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:31, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

: Thanks to Jmabel for the examples. Those provide concrete instances in which, if the religion on a person's baptism record was simply added as a "religion" statement with no restriction, that would constitute introducing bad data into Wikidata.  [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:16, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Given that the new constraint under discussion is considerably controversial (in the two iterations of this discussion I count three people definitely opposed), why hasn't it been removed yet? The proper order of actions with a disputed new addition is not to add it ''until'' it's been agreed on.  [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:16, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

== Grand Prix results ==

* How to add [[:en:2020 Formula One World Championship#Calendar|calendar]]/list of events to F1 or any other season item? [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:57, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
* How to add entries, qualifications and race results to GP item ({{Q|61366499}} for example) on Wikidata? [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:57, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
* I don't know if entries and results should be part of existing Grand Prix item like {{Q|61366499}} or should have separate items like {{Q|20895314}} so "2019 Brazilian Grand Prix entry list", "2019 Brazilian Grand Prix practise session results", "2019 Brazilian Grand Prix qualifying results", "2019 Brazilian Grand Prix race results" etc. in this case. Example of entry list for [https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2019/eventtiming-information-22 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix] (download required). [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:57, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

== Quickstatements - forking proposed ==

Hi. QS is a valuable tool used by a lot of people daily to import large quantities of statements. Unfortunately it receives very little love from developers since the rewrite some time ago.

A quick glance at the [https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/wikidata-todo/issues?status=new&status=open list of issues] and the lack of communication there tells me that Magnus has moved on to other ideas. 

I would like to help with a fork but I'm not sure I can pull it of alone so I write this instead to ask if others are up for joining together.

Personally I would like to help add full lexeme support and add a feature to give user a popup and ask if a new value should be created when an exact match of subject-object is found ([[https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/wikidata-todo/issues/100/quickstatements-remove-identical feature request]], [[https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:TiagoLubiana#Messy_edits_to_Q84081576 example of the mess it results in]]). {{ping|MagnusManske}}--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
::<small>{{info}} Just a valid ping for [[User:Magnus Manske|Magnus]], as you skipped the blank in his username. Grüße vom [[User:Sänger|Sänger ♫]] <sup> ([[User Talk:Sänger|talk]])</sup> 11:15, 22 March 2020 (UTC)</small>

: Have you tried contributing improvements? That's usually an easier/friendlier first step than jumping straight to a fork. Also, not sure if you're aware, but Magnus has been working on [https://github.com/magnusmanske/quickstatements_rs a new Rust version], which does seem to have some much more recent development. --[[User:Oravrattas|Oravrattas]] ([[User talk:Oravrattas|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:54, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
::Oh! I was not aware. No I have not tried to contribute patches, good idea, I will take a look at the rust version.--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:27, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Just found [https://github.com/magnusmanske/quickstatements_rs/blob/master/src/qs_parser.rs#L14 this promising line] in the parser that indicates that Magnus have Lexemes on his todo list. The bug I mentioned above seems to be [https://github.com/magnusmanske/quickstatements_rs/blob/e022ec1daedb5ed7551da53085608674e8538219/src/qs_command.rs#L119 worked around by not updating existing matching statements]. I will try to learn som rust to contribute :D. Found his blog where he has [https://blog.magnusmanske.de/?p=629 good arguments for why a rewrite was necessary], go Magnus!--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:36, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

== Making sense of {{Q|Q189118}} and {{Q|Q4936952}} ==

<!--
Q7868 : cell
Q189118 : cell type
Q4936952 : anatomical structure
Q21146257 : type
Q24017414 : first-order metaclass

P31 : instance of
P279 : subclass of
P642 : of
-->

There are some statements relating to {{Q|Q7868}}, {{Q|Q189118}} and {{Q|Q4936952}} that seem a bit odd to me and I would appreciate if others can confirm if it makes sense or if something should be fixed.

Currently the following statements exists:

* {{St|Q7868|P31|Q189118}}: Seems right to me
* {{St|Q7868|P279|Q4936952}}: Seems right to me
* {{St|Q189118|P31|Q4936952}}: This seems wrong to me, I would say {{St|Q189118|P279|Q4936952}} would make more sense.
* {{St|Q4936952|P31|Q24017414}}: This seems wrong to me, I would say there should be a different item {{St|type of anatomical structure|P31|Q24017414}} which also has {{St|type of anatomical structure|P279|Q21146257|P642|Q4936952}}

I have looked a bit at other first order metaclasses and it is hard to say if what is happening this is correct. I have also looked for guidelines or explanation of how to use metaclasses and all I can find is [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Modelling]].

Specific cases where I would say metaclasses are being used more correctly (don't take this as an endorsement of all statements):

<!--
Q43513 : emerald
Q429795 : mineral variety
Q55084935 : rank of mineral taxonomy
Q16889133 : class
Q24017465 : second-order metaclass
Q4120621 : rank
-->

* {{St|Q43513|P31|Q429795}}
** {{St|Q429795|P31|Q55084935}}
*** {{St|Q55084935|P31|Q24017465}}
*** {{St|Q55084935|P279|Q4120621}}
** {{St|Q429795|P279|Q16889133}}

<!--
Q16521 : taxon
Q24017414 : first-order metaclass
Q16889133 : class
-->

And of course {{Q|Q16521}} seems right:

* {{St|Q16521|P31|Q24017414}}
* {{St|Q16521|P279|Q16889133}}

If I had to sum up what my main problem is with {{Q|Q7868}}, {{Q|Q189118}} and {{Q|Q4936952}} is that we have items which end up both subclasses and instances of the same item - which I would say should not happen - or at least in this case does not make a lot of sense to me.

I am not entirely sure about all of this and I don't want to go around breaking things. I would appreciate other opinions on the matter. If we could declare that some specific use of metaclasses are correct and maybe give some examples of incorrect use and why it is incorrect it would be great.

[[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:25, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

{{Ping project|Ontology}}
{{Ping project|Anatomy}}
{{Ping project|Medicine}}

<!--
Q463632: Honda Accord
Q3231690: automobile model
-->

: Actually in [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Modelling]] there is the quote "An item should not be both an instance of and a subclass of the same class" - so this would suggest that what is happening with {{Q|Q189118}} and {{Q|Q4936952}} is wrong.
: But if that is the case there is something wrong with the example there also because {{St|Q463632|P31|Q3231690}} and transitively {{St|Q463632|P279|Q3231690}}
:* {{St|Q463632|P279|Q4010528}}
:* {{St|Q4010528|P279|Q1940287}}
:* {{St|Q1940287|P279|Q3231690}}
: [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
* I agree that we currently do't have a consistent way to model the ontology of anatomy and it would be great to have a consistent model. I'm not sure whether solving the problem one-item-at-a-time is the best way to go about it. I think we need more fundamental agreement. 
: We currently have no policy page that defines what we mean with {{Q|24017414}}. To have a clear and consistent way the concept is used throughout Wikidata, it would be best to have an RfC that defines a clear usage for it. 
: In absence of a more global policy we could have a policy for anatomy, but I think it would also make sense to write this into a help page at project anatomy instead of solving the problem one-item-at-a-time. 
: I currently have a policy draft at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:ChristianKl/Draft:Help:Instance_and_Subclass feel free to contribute or write drafts on your own. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 12:16, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

== Queries for problematic items and statements ==

I vaguely recall seeing some list of queries which highlight items with problems. I thought it was under [[Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service/queries/examples]] but I don't see it there now. I did find this page that has some queries which would highlight wrong items [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Problems]] but I would like to know if there are more pages like it. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:36, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:Did you see the link to [[Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service/queries/examples/maintenance|maintenance queries]]? Is that what you are looking for?--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Thanks [[User:So9q|So9q]] - this is indeed what I was looking for, looked right past it. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

== WikiProjects and equivalence ==

Are WikiProjects on Wikipedia and Wikidata considered one entity? Take for example {{Q|Q8487081}} - this links to both the Wikipedia project and Wikidata project. There are other items though like {{Q|Q60005226}} which is Wikidata specific and then other projects which are Wikipedia specific such as {{Q|Q15771636}}. Should we distinguish WikiProjects depending on the wikimedia project they fall under? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:28, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:Further, I tried earlier to use [[Template:Ping_project]] with ping [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Law]] but this did not work:

{{Ping project|Law}}

How do I fix it so I can ping it? [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Iwan.Aucamp}} In my opinion it is correct to keep in one item all the wikiprojects in all Wikimedia projects related to the same topic (e.g. {{Q|6337458}} and {{Q|6497946}}). Regarding WikiProject Law: {{tl|ping project}} works only with the wikiprojects in which finds a subpage /Participants, [[Wikidata:WikiProject Law]] didn't have one; now I've created it, so it should work. --[[User:Epìdosis|'''Epì''']][[User talk:Epìdosis|<span style="color:green">'''dosis'''</span>]] 15:41, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks [[User:Epìdosis|'''Epì''']] [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:46, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Another question, if there are no WikiData items for a WikiProject like [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Authority_control]] can I just create one like {{Q|Q60005226}}. [[User:Iwan.Aucamp|Iwan.Aucamp]] ([[User talk:Iwan.Aucamp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:46, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Iwan.Aucamp}} Yes, of course. --[[User:Epìdosis|'''Epì''']][[User talk:Epìdosis|<span style="color:green">'''dosis'''</span>]] 15:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

For those interested in this, there's a similar discussion about Commons categories for wikiprojects at [[:commons:Commons:Categories for discussion/2020/02/Category:Wikipedia WikiProjects]]. Thanks. [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] ([[User talk:Mike Peel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:29, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

== Wikidata weekly summary #408 ==

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* '''[[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Events|Events]]'''
** Upcoming: Wikidata and Wikibase office hour, April 7th, 18:00 Berlin time (UTC+2) in the [https://t.me/joinchat/AZriqUj5UagVMHXYzfZFvA Wikidata Telegram group]
** Upcoming: [[d:Wikidata:Events/Swedish_online_editathon#Meetup_#6|Online Wikidata editathon in Swedish #6]], March 29
** Postponed: [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2020-March/094536.html Wikimania Bangkok is postponed until 2021]

* '''[[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Press coverage|Press, articles, blog posts]]'''
** [https://elifesciences.org/articles/52614 Wikidata as a knowledge graph for the life sciences], Andra Waagmeester et.al.
** [https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Tensor-Decompositions-for-Temporal-Knowledge-Base-Lacroix-Obozinski/16295bf304c42f920d0db24875f89a350cdd8e62?email_index=0-0-0 Tensor Decompositions for Temporal Knowledge Base Completion] ("Additionally, we propose a new dataset for knowledge base completion constructed from Wikidata ... for evaluating temporal and non-temporal link prediction methods.")

* '''Tool of the week'''
** [[toollabs:lexeme-forms|Wikidata Lexeme Forms]] allows quickly generating a new lexeme with all its forms in selected languages; you can also use the tool to add forms to an existing lexeme, or bulk upload many lexemes and forms at once.

* '''Other Noteworthy Stuff'''
** A [[d:Wikidata:WikiProject India/COVID-19 task force|task force]] is formed under [[d:Wikidata:WikiProject India|WikiProject India]] to work on [[d:Q84055514|2020 coronavirus pandemic in India (Q84055514)]]
** Important for tool maintainers: [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2020-March/013901.html last steps of wb_terms table migration] (wb_terms is not updated anymore and will be renamed next week)

* '''Did you know?'''
<!-- NEW PROPERTIES DO NOT REMOVE -->
** Newest [[d:Special:ListProperties|properties]]:
*** General datatypes: [[:d:Property:P7971|food energy]], [[:d:Property:P7973|quantity symbol]], [[:d:Property:P7984|depicted format]], [[:d:Property:P8000|electron configuration]], [[:d:Property:P8001|endorsed by]], [[:d:Property:P8004|ordered by]], [[:d:Property:P8005|research subject recruitment status]], [[:d:Property:P8006|footedness]], [[:d:Property:P8009|IM channel]], [[:d:Property:P8010|number of recoveries]], [[:d:Property:P8011|number of clinical tests]]
*** External identifiers: [[:d:Property:P7970|FandangoNow ID]], [[:d:Property:P7972|CVR person ID]], [[:d:Property:P7974|Faculté des sciences de Nancy ID]], [[:d:Property:P7975|Filmfront film ID]], [[:d:Property:P7976|stargate-wiki.de article]], [[:d:Property:P7977|AncientFaces person ID]], [[:d:Property:P7978|Decine21 ID]], [[:d:Property:P7979|ACM Conference ID]], [[:d:Property:P7980|Clavis Patrum Latinorum ID]], [[:d:Property:P7981|ExoticA ID]], [[:d:Property:P7982|Hrvatska enciklopedija ID]], [[:d:Property:P7983|ACM Journal ID]], [[:d:Property:P7985|Kanopy ID]], [[:d:Property:P7986|Mirabile author ID]], [[:d:Property:P7987|Bibliotheca Hagiographica Graeca ID]], [[:d:Property:P7988|Clavis Patrum Graecorum ID]], [[:d:Property:P7989|Mirabile manuscript ID]], [[:d:Property:P7990|Mirabile saint ID]], [[:d:Property:P7991|Mirabile title ID]], [[:d:Property:P7992|Poeti d'Italia in lingua latina author ID]], [[:d:Property:P7993|Treccani Dizionario di Filosofia ID]], [[:d:Property:P7994|Colecovision Zone ID]], [[:d:Property:P7995|NHS Health A to Z ID]], [[:d:Property:P7996|EH.Net Encyclopedia of Economic and Business History ID]], [[:d:Property:P7997|Gry Online company ID]], [[:d:Property:P7998|Podchaser podcast ID]], [[:d:Property:P7999|Haz-Map ID]], [[:d:Property:P8002|Social Security Death Index entry]], [[:d:Property:P8003|ColecoVision.dk ID]], [[:d:Property:P8007|US Bureau of Prisons Inmate Register Number]], [[:d:Property:P8008|Google Scholar case ID]], [[:d:Property:P8012|Adventure Games series ID]], [[:d:Property:P8013|Trakt.tv ID]], [[:d:Property:P8014|Compendium heroicum ID]], [[:d:Property:P8015|Encyclopedia on Early Childhood Development English  ID]], [[:d:Property:P8016|Encyclopédie sur le développement des jeunes enfants ID]]
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** New [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Property proposal|property proposals]] to review:
*** General datatypes: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/tilt|tilt]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Dog and cat breed registries|Dog and cat breed registries]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/terminology|terminology]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/perpetrator|perpetrator]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/virtual tour|virtual tour]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/victims|victims]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/décès|décès]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/subpopulation 2|subpopulation 2]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Institutionskennzeichen (IK)|Institutionskennzeichen (IK)]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/ODMP person ID|ODMP person ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/is metaclass for|is metaclass for]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/correct spelling|correct spelling]]
*** External identifiers: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Unified registration number|Unified registration number]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/AGROVOC ID|AGROVOC ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Forest Stewardship Council Certificate Code|Forest Stewardship Council Certificate Code]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Forest Stewardship Council License Code|Forest Stewardship Council License Code]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/PIV Online ID|PIV Online ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/MusicBrainz genre ID|MusicBrainz genre ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Curran Index Contributor ID|Curran Index Contributor ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Curran Index Periodical ID|Curran Index Periodical ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Artprice artist ID|Artprice artist ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Reta Vortaro|Reta Vortaro]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/National Register of Historic Monuments in Bosnia and Herzegovina ID|National Register of Historic Monuments in Bosnia and Herzegovina ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/identifiant co-optimus.com|identifiant co-optimus.com]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Ökumenisches Heiligenlexikon ID|Ökumenisches Heiligenlexikon ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Cult of Saints in Late Antiquity ID|Cult of Saints in Late Antiquity ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/CIRIS author ID|CIRIS author ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/motorsportstats.com series|motorsportstats.com series]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/National-Football-Teams.com club ID|National-Football-Teams.com club ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/motorsportstats.com driver ID|motorsportstats.com driver ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/motorsportstats.com team ID|motorsportstats.com team ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/CAB ID|CAB ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/motorsportstats.com venue ID|motorsportstats.com venue ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/curlingzone.com ID|curlingzone.com ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Visit Tuscany ID|Visit Tuscany ID]]
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** Query examples: 
*** [https://w.wiki/KiQ Most recent common ancestors of George W. Bush and Queen Elizabeth II]
*** [https://w.wiki/KqP Notable people with COVID-19 by number of sitelinks]
*** [[d:Wikidata:WikiProject_India/COVID-19_task_force/Queries|COVID-19 case statistics for India]]:
**** [https://w.wiki/KzH State-level map]
**** [https://w.wiki/KtX State-level line graph]
*** [https://w.wiki/L2b Lakes spanning at least 3 countries] ([https://twitter.com/slaettaratindur/status/1241807402187608067 source])
*** [https://w.wiki/L2d Michelin starred restaurants in Luxembourg] ([https://twitter.com/Pymouss/status/1241723691865604096 source])

* '''Development'''
** Federated properties: set up a test system ([[phab:T247734]])
** more work on search for remote properties ([[phab:T246349]])
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[[phab:maniphest/query/4RotIcw5oINo/#R|You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here]]. If you want to help, you can also have a look at [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/71/query/zfiRgTnZF7zu/?filter=zfiRgTnZF7zu&order=priority the tasks needing a volunteer].

* '''Monthly Tasks'''
** Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
** Comment on property proposals: [[d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Overview|all open proposals]]
** [[d:Wikidata:Contribute/Suggested and open tasks|Suggested and open tasks]]!
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== property proposals page ==

How come the last items on the page [[Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control]] are not being displayed in full? Is it just that there are too many items on the list at the moment? [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:06, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Levana Taylor}} I believe that's the reason. --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:09, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
: If you check the bottom, you will see it is a member of [[:Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded]].  [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:15, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
::It seems that part of this problem is old proposals not being archived anymore and taking up transclusions. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

== Conflict on Category:Psychoactive drugs ==

I noticed someone has added [[:fi:Luokka:Psykoaktiiviset aineet]] to English page for [[:en:Category:Psychoactive drugs]], but its wikidata (Q5637328) is linked to another fi. Category.--[[User:Taranet|Taranet]] ([[User talk:Taranet|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

== Adding data to wikidata ==

Hello, my name is Siddhartha Dukkipati and I am a PG student from IIIT Hyderabad, India, working on the development of Telugu Wikipedia.
I would like to import some of the data which I have into the wiki data and then retrieve it on a later purpose.{{Unsigned2|11:09, 18 March 2020‎‎|Dukkips}}

* What is the nature of the data? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:22, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

It is a csv file wherein I have data of school records based on the district and mandal so on. I have up to 76 thousand records. {{Unsigned|Dukkips}}
* What is the data about? If it's about students at the schools, I doubt that would be useful beyond a straight-out count of students. If it's about the schools themselves, or if it is about faculty at the university level (but presumably not at the primary or secondary level) that would be useful. Or at least that is my take. Does someone else want to weigh in? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:53, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

This data is about the school like the number of students studying that school, the number of teachers and classes which they offer and area of campus and which syllabus do they teach likewise I have these details with me. Now I would like to know, the structure if wikidata and how to import the data which I have with me and retrieve that information.
* {{ping|Dukkips}}, first of all, you should sign your messages here. Also, what you are talking about is complex. You need an expert to guide you. For the software solution, QuickStatement or OpenRefine would do the job, but those tool are not for new comers and people with little experience… That being said, I could help you, in part. My email is: antoine@beaubien.qc.ca. Regards, [[User:Antoine2711|Antoine2711]] ([[User talk:Antoine2711|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

== Indian cinema personalities ==

Hi,

I work in a film archive as a cataloger. During these years, I have to come across lot of names of Indian film personalities in my records. For convenience, I have been preparing a spreadsheet with all the names with their variations. Trust me, in India there are a lot of variations of names. 

As a result, I am now thinking to develop somewhat a Name Authority project for Indian cinema personalities in Wiki data so that a unified common name index is available online for users. 

Please guide me with the steps to achieve the same.

Thanks!
{{Unsigned2|17:39, March 18, 2020‎|Murchana}}
: {{ping|Murchana}} You'll notice that for example on {{Q|377789}} there is an "Also known as" field. This can be filled in with as many variations of the name as you like. Wikidata does seem like a good place to do this. There may also be specific properties that are relevant for this like {{P|742}}, {{P|1477}}, and others listed at [[Wikidata:WikiProject Names/Properties]]. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

: {{ping|Murchana}} when you'll be ready to push your data, you should consider a tool to push in a batch your spreadsheet. I can help you if you are interested. Regards, [[User:Antoine2711|Antoine2711]] ([[User talk:Antoine2711|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

== Is death in battle the same as killed in action? ==

{{Q|Q18663901}} vs. {{Q|Q210392}} the same or is one reserved for civilian deaths? If so please adjust the Description.--[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:22, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:The german term is ''"In der Schlacht getötet"'' vs. ''"Im Einsatz getötet"'', thus {{Q|Q18663901} is restricted to the war, while {{Q|Q210392}} is for all occupations, as someone dies while doing their duty (Fire brigade, soldier, doctor... Grüße vom [[User:Sänger|Sänger ♫]] <sup> ([[User Talk:Sänger|talk]])</sup> 08:58, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:: At the moment, though, most of the descriptions I see in most languages on {{Q|210392}} seem to confine it to military situations as well, just not necessarily battle. I think we should either expand that to firefighters, police, etc. or have a distinct parallel item for those non-military occupations, if we do not already have one. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:::We have killed in the line of duty for first responders, killed in action is a military classification. Yes, KIA includes accidental deaths and deaths from disease while on duty. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: I see, {{Q|87013982}}. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

== Song for an occasion ==

How might I represent a song intended for a particular occasion? How would you represent that a song is for Christmas, or for a birthday, or for another holiday? What property would you use? [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:47, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
* I would model it as a {{Q|82821}}, or more likely some subclass of that such as {{Q|717040}}. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:09, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
**{{re|Jmabel}} I'm still not sure how to use that. For example, {{Q|Q167545}}'s {{P|P921}} is {{Q|Q47223}}, but I could easily imagine a song which discusses another topic, but is traditionally sung at birthdays. How would I represent this? Similarly, {{Q|Q79900092}} is a piece of sheet music intended to be sung on {{Q|Q152662}}. How would I represent this? [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
*Someone may disagree with me here, but I think this is enough of an is-a relationship that you would have {{C|FOO|31|7366}} {{C|FOO|31|717040}} - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 
To be a step clearer, though: the sheet music is not the song, nor is it the tradition. You need an item in between for the song, and whatever is the usual modeling between sheet music and song. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
:You could also try [[Property:P366|P366 (use)]] = [[Q8261762|birthday song]], [[Q56572789|Christmas song]], etc. [[User:Moebeus|Moebeus]] ([[User talk:Moebeus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:23, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
: {{P|1269}}? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{done}} I think {{P|P366}} is the best and most generalizable answer to my question. {{P|1269}} is probably also usually applicable. Thank you. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

== Merge help request: fingerpaint (Q67649265) and finger painting (Q353262) ==

Greetings and felicitations.  I've read [[Help:Merge]] and have the gadget activated, but I am still uncertain if I should merge the two items ([[Q67649265|fingerpaint (Q67649265)]] and [[Q353262|finger painting (Q353262)]]), and which item should take priority. —[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

:Not merge. One is the paint. The other is the practice. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

:: {{Reply to|Tagishsimon}} I am asking because different Wikipedias point to one or the other.  English Wikipedia, for instance, has a single article, [[w:Fingerpaint|Fingerpaint]], to which [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fingerpainting&redirect=no "Fingerpainting" redirects].  The English, German, and Swedish Wikipedias are linked to by Wikidata's "Fingerpaint", but the French and Chinese Wikipedias are linked to by Wikidata's "Fingerpainting".  How can this be resolved so that the English Wikipedia article points to all of them?  Would adding them to the redirect do it? —[[User:DocWatson42|DocWatson42]] ([[User talk:DocWatson42|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

:::There's discussion, above, at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Wikipedia_article_covering_multiple_topics_(Q21484471)_%E2%86%90%E2%86%92_? of wikipedia articles covering multiple subjects (such as fingerpaint & ~ing), and so if there are articles which cover both then they perhaps should be linked to a new item with an instance of {{Q|21484471}} and having {{P|527}} pointing at the distinct wikidata items. Equally, and despite the en.wiki article name, you might decide that as the body of the article is about the technique, it might be better linked to the finger-painting item; that item is linked to fingerpaint via {{P|2283}}. Neither solution is very attractive; meanwhile I don't think linking to a redirect works, but probably mainly on an IDontLikeIt sort of a basis. All that is clear is that the existing two items are distinct and should not be merged :) --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

== SARS-CoV-2 deaths ==

How are we standardizing the deaths by SARS-CoV-2? --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:18, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
:@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] : Do you know [[Wikidata:WikiProject COVID-19]]? --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:54, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

== Stating the tower heights of a particular wind turbine model ==

Hi. {{Q|Q71812982}} is a wind turbine model which has [https://nozebra.ipapercms.dk/Vestas/Communication/Productbrochure/4MWbrochure/4MWProductBrochure/?page=14 multiple tower heights]. The different tower heights are used based on the site conditions. I've used {{P|1545}} to state the different tower heights, but I'm not too sure if that is the best way. Adding a range also seems one option, but it seems like it is not supported on Wikidata? Any thoughts? [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 06:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

== Modelling {{q|Q369894}} ==

Can someone please suggest the best way to model {{Q|Q76235018}} being an {{q|Q369894}} of {{q|Q9682}}? I've tried to use {{P|P3342}} as a qualifier for {{P|P39}} but hit a constraint. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:50, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{P|642}} seems to work? --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:05, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

== Notable pseudonyms ==

Currently we use bare strings for pseudonyms/pen-names etc. almost everywhere. {{P|742}} has a datatype of string, and the standard way of denoting their use is via a {{P|1810}} qualifier (also as a bare string). However, sometimes the pseudonym itself also has a Wikidata item (e.g. {{Q|Q3495759}}, {{Q|Q12326342}}), largely due to one or more Wikipedias having separate items for them. Such a Wikidata item ends up being pretty close to being an orphan, though, as other items that would usually be expected to link to it (e.g. the books authored under that name) have to use the string form, e.g. "Richard Bachman", rather than the item. There have been a few discussions around this at [[Wikidata:WikiProject Books|WikiProject Books]], but no strong consensus, and as this is a wider issue that applies to other areas as well, it was suggested to bring it up for wider discussion here. Do other fields/projects handle this sort of case differently? Is there a nicer way to create links in cases like this? --[[User:Oravrattas|Oravrattas]] ([[User talk:Oravrattas|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
: Such the author statement on {{Q|277260}}? I'd be inclined to use a {{P|1932}} qualifier instead of {{P|742}}, since most such cases won't have a separate item for the pseudonym. Or perhaps both, where available. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{P|1932}} introduces another complication here: my understanding is that {{P|1810}} is more appropriate for these (based on, for example, an [[Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2019/04#named_as_(P1810)_vs._stated_as_(P1932)_with_external_identifiers|earlier discussion here]], as well as being what's documented in the [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Books#Qualifiers|data model instructions for books]]). But either way, the question is more about the case where there ''is'' an existing Wikidata item for the pseudonym, and neither {{P|1932}} nor {{P|1810}} lets us link those. --[[User:Oravrattas|Oravrattas]] ([[User talk:Oravrattas|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:27, 18 March 2020 (UTC)   
By the way, how many cases of "notable pseudonyms" are they? [[User:Nomen ad hoc|Nomen ad hoc]] ([[User talk:Nomen ad hoc|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC).
: Since this applies to pen names of authors as well as stage names of actors and musicians, there will be MANY, including Mark Twain, George Eliot, George Sand, Poor Richard, Richard Bachman, Prince, Frankie Valli, Lon Chaney, Puff Daddy, Ludacris, ... --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
* Several authors have many pseudonyms, each with corresponding catalog and authority controls. See for example {{q|Q64685180}}, who has over [https://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n86000347.html 50 pseudonyms listed in the Library of Congress], each with their own control number. Other notable pseudonyms (sometimes conflated with fictional characters on various Wikis) include personas and alter egos like {{Q|458346}}, {{Q|1077228}}, and {{q|Q2465713}}, and collective pseudonyms like {{Q|Q1964625}}, {{Q|Q781484}} and {{Q|3372607}}. [[User:Animalparty|-Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:37, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
::On the music side there's also [[Q7558495|solo project]] and probably a few more like it. [[User:Moebeus|Moebeus]] ([[User talk:Moebeus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
::: I had a quick scan of items using {{Q|7558495}} and most of the ones I looked at are again orphans, not linked from anywhere else. Of the ones that also obviously have a separate item for the person using that "stage name", all the albums etc I checked that were released as the 'solo project' seem to have a {{P|175}} of the underlying person instead, and nothing to denote the name under which they were actually released. This seems wrong to me. When someone creates a separate persona to produce music or a book or whatever, it seems to me that Wikidata should generally prefer to credit that persona directly, with the underlying 'human' behind that then linked from the alter ego item.  --[[User:Oravrattas|Oravrattas]] ([[User talk:Oravrattas|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
::::I agree with this, there might be an artistic (or even legal) reason for using different names and it seems wrong to second-guess that. We also have to remember using "stated as" as a qualifier for every single "performer" statement, which can be bit of a hassle and is basically not done at scale (and how would bots know?). But I have a feeling it's a slightly controversial position. Good ol' [[Q223161|Richard D. James]] has notably been the subject of some back-and-forth on this. [[User:Moebeus|Moebeus]] ([[User talk:Moebeus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

== {{Q|21484471}} ←→ ? ==

How to mention covered topics in {{Q|21484471}}? For example we have {{Q|2303631}} which consists of {{Q|43152918}} and {{Q|88072620}} charts so I have added them as {{P|805}} at {{Q|2303631}}. Is this correct way? Now how to mention that {{Q|43152918}} is covered in {{Q|2303631}}? [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:26, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

: I know of two different ways:
:* Use {{P|527}}, as semifamously done at {{Q|219937}}. (Other examples are {{Q|1909475}} and {{Q|680922}}.)
:* Use {{P|921}}, as discussed in [[Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2020/03#entry for one thing or another?|this thread]], and as I have done at {{Q|87260855}}.
: At some point I'm thinking we may need a property for "more specific version of" (which might handle {{Q|87260855}} and related cases better), but that's a discussion for another day. —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:19, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{re|Scs}} {{Q|2303631}} {{P|527}} {{Q|43152918}} but I wouldn't say that {{Q|2303631}} is a {{P|921}} of {{Q|43152918}} because {{Q|2303631}} is just about {{Q|Q43152918}}. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
::: We need proprerty like "is part of other article", "partly included in other article", "is covered in other article", "other article which thread is mainly covered".  [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: Presumably that wouldn't be a property as such. There's a good reason that the links to Wikipedia articles aren't normal properties. Items (and their properties) are primarily about notable things in the world, not about WMF project content. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:18, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

::: To me the main question is, why does the "parent" entity -- the one that's a {{Q|21484471}} -- exist in the first place?  Does it even represent a meaningful concept?
:::* Sometimes, it exists only because of the rule that every Wikipedia article has to have a Wikidata entity.  (And that's what the wording of the property {{P|921}} seems to suggest.)
:::* Sometimes, it's because the union of two distinct entities has a distinct and known identity, like {{Q|907445}} or {{Q|1909475}}.  In these cases listing the parts using {{P|527}} is appropriate, and that seems like a decent option for {{Q|2303631}}, too.
:::* Other times, it's because of various kinds of ambiguity.  The canonical example of a {{Q|21484471}} is [[Q2195|JPEG <small>(Q2195)</small>]], which might mean the JPEG file format which is [[Q26329975]], or the Joint Photographic Experts Group (the committee which both invented the file format and gave it its name) which is [[Q1702547]].  Another example, the one that got me thinking about this at all, is {{Q|87260855}}, a notorious bit of English-language ambiguity which strictly means {{Q|130964}} but which in common usage is often used for the [[Q26708069|"food" calorie <small>(Q26708069)</small>]] which is actually a ''kilo''calorie, i.e. 1,000 times bigger.  I don't think this case applies to {{Q|2303631}}, unless perhaps if people are in the habit of saying "Top Heatseekers" when they really mean "Heatseekers Albums" or "Heatseekers Songs".  (Which, come to think of it, might be the case.  I dunno.)
::: I think we could maybe use a better way of handling some of these situations, but I'm not sure.  Similar to the "calorie" situation, I'm also thinking of traditional but ambiguous units like "ounce", which today have multiple, incompatible, more-precise definitions like {{Q|48013}} and {{Q|1323615}} and {{Q|69878540}}.
::: But, bottom line, I'm not sure we have to worry ''too'' much about representing these issues "just right" -- and especially when the main reason for the ambiguous entity is that it matches an equally-ambiguous Wikipedia article somewhere. —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

:{{comment}} Per {{ping|Dhx1}}, {{P|527}} is not allowed on this purpose, please feel free to convert the remain {{P|527}}s to be {{P|921}}s. --[[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)


:Is there a help page somewhere for this kind of situation? If not, it may be prudent to set one up as a resource to reference when encountering such articles/items. This also enabled the guidelines to be collaboratively iterated on to hopefully reach a point where there's consensus on the best way to model things. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:32, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
:: [[Help:Modelling/Wikipedia and Wikimedia concepts#Compound_Wikipedia_pages]]. If you feel that is not sufficient, it could be fleshed out further. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
::: {{re|Jmabel}} [[Help:Modelling/Wikipedia and Wikimedia concepts#Compound_Wikipedia_pages]] says to use {{P|527}}, whereas {{re|Liuxinyu970226|p=}} says not to, above and at [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q21484471&diff=963640180&oldid=963634363 Wikipedia article covering multiple topics]. I recognize that {{Q|Q219937}} is an entity unto itself, whereas {{Q|Q2195}} is not an entity, but a conflation of distinct entities. In other words, I think that help section should be expanded. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
::::I wasn't pointing to [[Help:Modelling/Wikipedia and Wikimedia concepts#Compound_Wikipedia_pages]] so much for the {{P|527}} as for the fact that different interwiki links may need to go to different items. It's legitimate to create an item for whatever has a Wikipedia article in any language -- our linking approach pretty much requires that -- but then we have to model the appropriate relation of that item to other items more or less independently of the various Wikipedias. If the Wikipedia article is a really baggy monster, that may be difficult (or impossible) to do perfectly. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: I think in the JPEG case the notion of a {{Q|14946528}} is exactly right. If someone thinks that is worth adding to [[Help:Modelling/Wikipedia and Wikimedia concepts#Compound_Wikipedia_pages]], feel free. I hadn't thought about how to model incoherent ideas when I wrote that. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:01, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Jmabel}} Yes, I only said that {{P|527}} is not suitable for {{Q|21484471}}, {{Q|Q219937}} can use {{P|527}}, because it's a {{Q|10648343}} entity, not just an item that is covering some randomly combined articles. --[[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:05, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::PS: {{Q|474391}} seems likely, two Malaysian railway lines that combined on nearly all Wikipedias, and hence none of users tried to split ever, but just added {{Q|14946528}} {{Q|21484471}}. If you think disallowing {{P|527}} for {{Q|21484471}} isn't fair then why Q474391 is fair :P? Still, I think that Help:Modelling subpage needs to modify. --[[User:Liuxinyu970226|Liuxinyu970226]] ([[User talk:Liuxinyu970226|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:09, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::: I know I'm repeating myself but: "I think in the JPEG case the notion of a {{Q|14946528}} is exactly right. If someone thinks that [using {{Q|14946528}} rather than {{P|527}} to describe incoherent Wikipedias articles] is worth adding to [[Help:Modelling/Wikipedia and Wikimedia concepts#Compound_Wikipedia_pages]], feel free. I hadn't thought about how to model incoherent ideas when I wrote that." - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
: I updated [[Help:Modelling/Wikipedia and Wikimedia concepts#Compound_Wikipedia_articles]] to provide better information on modelling these compound Wikipedia articles based on the discussion here. [[User:Dhx1|Dhx1]] ([[User talk:Dhx1|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:36, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

== Import MetaNetX/MNXref data in WikiData? ==

Hi

I work in the MetaNetX team (https://www.metanetx.org/).

We wonder if our biochemical reconciliation data (MNXref) could be imported in WikiData.

The MNXref data are here: https://www.metanetx.org/mnxdoc/mnxref.html

Best

[[User:Smoretti-sib|Smoretti-sib]] ([[User talk:Smoretti-sib|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

== Scope and content ([[Property:P7535]]) ==

For an architectural drawing, this was added at {{Q|Q64853752}} with the description "Cathédrale de Marseille. Modification des fonts baptismaux : p[ou]r suppression de chaîne de suspension du couvercle". It seems to me that this have become a free form description, some of us were worried about. {{ping|Archives nationales DJI}} --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 17:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
== We are lagging behind with COVID-19 data - HELP WANTED ==

I made [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fdates%20%3FcaseNo%20%3FdeathNo%20%3FcountryLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%20%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ83741704%20.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP17%20%3Fcountry%20.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP1603%20%3Fcases%20.%0A%20%20%3Fcases%20ps%3AP1603%20%3FcaseNo%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20pq%3AP585%20%3Fdates%20.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%7B%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP1120%20%3Fdeaths%20.%0A%20%20%3Fdeaths%20pq%3AP585%20%3Fdates%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20ps%3AP1120%20%3FdeathNo%20.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20filter%20not%20exists%20%7B%0A%20%20%7B%3Fitem%20p%3AP1603%2Fpq%3AP585%20%3Fdates2%20.%7DUNION%0A%20%20%7B%3Fitem%20p%3AP1120%2Fpq%3AP585%20%3Fdates2%20.%7D%0A%20%20filter%20%28%3Fdates2%20%3E%20%3Fdates%29%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%20%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20%3Fcountry%0A%23limit%2010 this maintenance query] and most countries right now lack updates for the past 3-5 days and less that 10% has been updated yesterday or today. Thanks in advance!--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:As long as random diseases are [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Q84263196&namespace=0&limit=500 spammed to biographic items], there are obviously people with too much time and far too less sense for privacy and decency around here. Perhaps some of them could do some useful stuff instead. Grüße vom [[User:Sänger|Sänger ♫]] <sup> ([[User Talk:Sänger|talk]])</sup> 22:37, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
::Most of these people are publicly announcing that they have it. [[User:Quakewoody|Quakewoody]] ([[User talk:Quakewoody|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:48, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
:::So what? Grüße vom [[User:Sänger|Sänger ♫]] <sup> ([[User Talk:Sänger|talk]])</sup> 05:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
:::How o get this in line with [[Wikidata:BLP]]? Grüße vom [[User:Sänger|Sänger ♫]] <sup> ([[User Talk:Sänger|talk]])</sup> 10:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: From the policy "Values for living individuals should generally not be supplied unless they can be considered widespread public knowledge or are openly supplied by the individual themselves". If the people are publically announcing that they have it, then it's within the policy to record it. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 16:13, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
''Lacking'' => ''Lagging'', I presume. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
:Yes LOL, not much have happened since I wrote above, so our data is now 8-5 days old for most of the countries, see [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fdates%20%3FtestsNo%20%3FcaseNo%20%3FdeathNo%20%3FsurvivalNo%20%3FcountryLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%20%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ83741704%20.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP17%20%3Fcountry%20.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP1603%20%3Fcases%20.%0A%20%20%3Fcases%20ps%3AP1603%20%3FcaseNo%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20pq%3AP585%20%3Fdates%20.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%7B%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP1120%20%3Fdeaths%20.%0A%20%20%3Fdeaths%20pq%3AP585%20%3Fdates%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20ps%3AP1120%20%3FdeathNo%20.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%7B%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP1561%20%3Fsurvivors%20.%0A%20%20%3Fsurvivors%20pq%3AP585%20%3Fdates%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20ps%3AP1561%20%3FsurvivalNo%20.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%7B%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP8011%20%3Ftests%20.%0A%20%20%3Ftests%20pq%3AP585%20%3Fdates%20%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20ps%3AP1561%20%3FtestsNo%20.%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20filter%20not%20exists%20%7B%0A%20%20%7B%3Fitem%20p%3AP1603%2Fpq%3AP585%20%3Fdates2%20.%7DUNION%0A%20%20%7B%3Fitem%20p%3AP1120%2Fpq%3AP585%20%3Fdates2%20.%7D%0A%20%20filter%20%28%3Fdates2%20%3E%20%3Fdates%29%0A%20%20%7D%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%20%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20%3Fdates%0A%23limit%2010 query].--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
::Honest question: what are people doing with the COVID-19 data on Wikidata? Certainly there are more reliable, more credible, and more up-to-date sources. Hopefully no health care professionals are making critical decisions based on Wikidata completeness (or lack thereof): they rely on CDC, WHO, ECDC, and local health offices. It's great when data is reasonably complete, but Wikidata is and will always be a haphazard, hodge-podge, idiosyncratic database run by volunteers, with no guarantees on data quality or completeness. [[User:Animalparty|-Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Wikidata can allow the smaller Wikipedia's to provide COVID-19 data in lanugages that currently don't have good official sources. Given that unfortunately COVID-19 does spread in more developing countries now, that seems to be a valid use-case to help those populations to inform themselves. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style="color:#0000EE;">'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 08:16, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
:A majority of countries are now 7 days or more out of date. The main item about the pandemic is updated though.--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
::I checked after writing this and realized to my surprise that not even the main item {{Q|81068910}} was up to date at the time of my writing. I just updated it with WHO numbers from 00:00 CET today, but they are already old numbers lagging 70,000 behind https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6. Maybe we should update the main item every 8th hour because the numbers rise so fast now.--[[User:So9q|So9q]] ([[User talk:So9q|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

== Important for tool maintainers: last steps of wb_terms table migration ==

Hello all,

This is an important announcement for all the tool builders and maintainers who access Wikidata’s data by '''querying Labs database replicas directly'''.

In April 2019, the Wikidata development team started a heavy redesign of an important table of the database, <code>wb_terms</code>. Over years, this table has become too big, causing various issues. That’s why we decided to split it into several smaller tables. For more context, you can have a look at previous announcements: [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2019-April/012987.html April 2019], [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2019-May/013052.html May 2019]. 

We encountered a lot of unexpected issues on the road which required us to postpone the timeline, but the final steps of the migration are now happening. [[phab:phame/post/view/195/coming_to_terms_with_change/|We published a blog post]] to explain more in detail what we did and why it was important to optimize the database structure.

Here’s an overview of what happened, what are the next steps and how you can update your code:
* The new structure is now in place on Labs. You can read more details on [https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/php/md_docs_storage_terms.html this documentation page]
* Wikidata is entirely reading from and writing to the new tables since March 18th, which means the existing <code>wb_terms</code> table is '''not updated anymore'''
* This means that any tools that are still reading from <code>wb_terms</code> and updating Wikidata based on its content have to be updated as soon as possible
* In order to fully deprecate the table and make it clear that it is outdated, the wb_terms will be renamed to <code>wb_terms_no_longer_updated</code> on Monday, '''March 30th'''. Tools still querying this table at that date will certainly encounter errors.
* To get an overview on how to update your queries, you can have a look at [[phab:T221767|these examples]]

If you have questions or encounter any issues, please write on [[phab:T208425|this Phabricator ticket]] or write me an email.

We apologize for the delay and the lack of recent updates regarding this change. Cheers, [[User:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)}} with your action to rename "wb_terms" to "wb_terms_no_longer_updated" you're actively breaking tools. That's not very nice at all. Please just truncate the table (empty all rows) and maybe create an empty "wb_terms_no_longer_updated". What phab task is this tracked in? You completely missed the announced timeline and you can't expect tool maintainers to jump up with just a week notice. [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
::The wb_terms table is not updated anymore. This means that tools that keep reading data from it, and potentially editing Wikidata based on this outdated information, can cause some damage to Wikidata on the long run. This is why we need a clear change. Yes, this may break tools if people don't update the code. Our intention here is not to break tools but to strongly encourage people to stop reading from the outdated database. 
::In that regard, truncating the table will not achieve that. If people are fine with their tool reading wrong data, they can still change the table name in their code to be the new table name.
::We are aware that this project took way longer than planned, and that the initial announcement didn't reflect the current timeline. However, this also let a lot of time for people to understand the new structure and adapt to it. The next steps that we can finally take are only the continuation of the project and the new structure didn't change since 2019. 
::We apologize for the 1 week notice. We chose this date in order to give some time to people to update their code while not letting this outdated table be used for too long. [[User:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:58, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)}} How can you read wrong data if the table is [[:en:Truncate (SQL)|truncated]]?
:::By removing a table you make some database queries go down in flames and effectively completely disabling a tool. 
:::From my point of view it looks like you don't really care about the tool maintainers, you didn't even bother to link the relevant phabricator task and you're planning to disrupt our tools and make it our problem.
:::{{Ping|Lydia Pintscher (WMDE)}} as the product manager you're responsible for this. I would like to hear your response. [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: Hey everyone. I'm really sorry. I'm on vacation but now working with the team to see what we can do. Léa will get back to you in a bit. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher (WMDE)|Lydia Pintscher (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Lydia Pintscher (WMDE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:00, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello all,

We have been discussing with the team to come up with an additional solution to avoid a sudden break of tools.

Since March 18th, the wb_terms table is not updated anymore. We failed to announce this step of the process and we apologize for that. This step is unfortunately not reversible. This means that wb_terms contains data that is outdated and will be even more outdated every day. The up to date data is in place in the new structure.

In order to ease the transition, we are going to add a <code>wb_terms_no_longer_updated</code> table which contains all the <code>wb_terms</code> data from the point in time the updates stopped. This should happen in the next hours. On '''April 6th''' (previously announced March 30th), we will empty the <code>wb_terms</code> table. This is similar to the solution proposed by Multichill but preserving a version of the current table, in case people still want to use it.

This way, people maintaining tools that directly query the database will have three options:
* Update their code to use the new structure
* Update their code by renaming “wb_terms” in “wb_terms_no_longer_updated” (temporary solution, as it is an outdated and frozen version of the data)
* Change nothing, starting on April 6th the tools will query the empty <code>wb_terms</code>, which will return no data, but that might be less drastic for the tool than having no table to query at all

What do you think about this solution? Would it be an OK compromise to facilitate the transition to the new structure?

About Phabricator tasks, see [[phab:T208425|the ticket for the main overview of the project]], [[phab:T219175|more details about migration of items and properties]], and [[phab:T221767|examples of new queries]].

We apologize for the troubles caused and we will investigate this issue to make sure that it doesn’t happen again in the future. [[User:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
:I understand that the change is a technical necessity, and I applaud the effort that went into it. But, why can there not be a view on the new structure that replicates <code>wb_terms</code>? Maybe even call it <code>wb_terms</code>, after moving the table to <code>wb_terms_no_longer_updated</code>? One of the reasons I did not change my code over until now is that before March 18, querying the new structure would have missed older labels etc., and I could not support both at the same time. A view, with a time limit of a few weeks, would give me and others time to migrate ''now that this is an actual option''. --[[User:Magnus Manske|Magnus Manske]] ([[User talk:Magnus Manske|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)}} Thanks for your reply Lea. That was the compromise I was looking for.
::{{ping|Magnus Manske}} Judging from [https://twitter.com/jynus/status/1243170942953684992 this reply] I think making a database view is technically not feasible. [[User:Multichill|Multichill]] ([[User talk:Multichill|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:24, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
::We researched the possibility to create a view but the table is simply too big. Accessing the data would be way too slow. [[User:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
: Is <code>wb_terms_no_longer_updated</code> eventually to be removed in the future?--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Yes, we don't want to leave an outdated table accessible for too long. But we should leave it long enough so people have time to update their code. We think one month is reasonable. [[User:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
== Changing case of text: Firefox add-on ==

Automated imports often leave text, such as the titles and labels of papers, in all upper case. Changing them to title case is tedious, but I recently found the [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/titlecase/ TitleCase add-on for Firefox], which does the job quickly and well. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:13, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
* Mozilla does not list that as a "recommended extension". Do you know anything about its developer? Otherwise, that seems like quite a security risk for a small convenience. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:13, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

{{od}}
The Mozilla listing for the extension links to [https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tips-assessing-safety-extension this page], which says;

{{Quote|To be clear, just because an extension is not Recommended, that doesn't mean it's unsafe. It simply means it's not vetted by Mozilla and you should install at your own risk. Here are [https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tips-assessing-safety-extension additional assessing the safety of an extension]. [sic] }}

HTH. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:55, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

== Unreliable and deprecated sources ==

Do we have a consensus 1. not to use some sources or 2. to remove some sources that is considered "unreliable" or "deprecated" by some projects (e.g. Daily Mail, NNDB)? Previous we have some [[Wikidata:Requests for comment/Findagrave removed as a source for information|discussion]] not to do that, but {{ping|Nikkimaria}} [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Sources&diff=next&oldid=1143977079 does not think so]. This user also [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1287828&diff=prev&oldid=1136762781 removed some Find a Grave sources] where there's consensus to keep (in this case there's more reliable sources present, So I have no opinion against removing them, but they may be readded by Reinheitsgebot).--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
*I think it varies if they are generally unreliable, or just considered to be so by some project, for some purpose or by user Nikkimaria. 
:We had countless RFCs on the deletions of Nikkimaria, asked them not to delete them, and they still continue. Not sure if another RFC would really help. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 10:02, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
*The whole point of deprecating claims is to keep the data but mark it as wrong. If anything this can help to show that sources are unreliable, whereas removing them just leaves the data open for re-addition. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:59, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
:*The data is still present, with better sourcing; in such a case there's no reason to keep worse sourcing. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
::*I think I have misunderstood, I thought this was about removing deprecated statements supported by unreliable sources, but it's just about removing "deprecated" sources. Haven't quite formed my opinion on this, I can see the argument for removing a source if a better is available, but also the logic in listing as many sources as exist. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
How do you others feel about my use of the Daily Mail as a source on {{Q|Q63214886}} and {{Q|Q61791960}}? Did i do it right? --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:45, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
*Looking at the type of statements that you do reference with it, it doesn't strike me as problematic. Nikkimaria would probably replace them with Britannica. Personally, I find Britannica problematic as it's a tertiary source, but I understand that this view isn't necessarily shared by them. Other references would be interesting. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 14:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

== {{P|1559}} ==

{{P|1559}} requires specify the language based on its code. I know code for "many/diferent/mixed languages" exist but I don't know him. The other case is what to do when language is unknown? [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:04, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
: "mul" perhaps. Or maybe not, if you don't know somebody's native language, maybe the property shouldn't be added. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
:* If you know the spelling, but not the language it is in, you could use "und" in the [[Help:Suggesters_and_selectors#Language_list|language list]]. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:26, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
:** {{re|Jura1}} Thank you so much. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:25, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

== can not access alias field ==

Second alias in {{Q|2328033}} is not possible to edit. Regards for tipps, [[User:Conny|Conny]] ([[User talk:Conny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:05, 27 March 2020 (UTC).
* {{ping|Conny}} That doesn't appear to be true for me. What do you want to change it to? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you {{ping|Jmabel}} I want to change alias "Wohnhaus in geschlossener Be..." - can you find that? Regards, [[User:Conny|Conny]] ([[User talk:Conny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC).

It is the second de alias. [[User:Conny|Conny]] ([[User talk:Conny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC).
* You want to change it from the meaningful "Wohnhaus in geschlossener Bebauung Ritterstraße 11" to "Wohnhaus in geschlossener Be..."? That makes no sense. No, I am not doing that. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:39, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
* {{ping|Conny}} Oder vielleicht wollen Sie etwas anderes sagen. Sagen Sie es auf Deutsch, wenn das einfacher ist. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:45, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Ich habe keinen Zugriff auf das zweite Alias. Es heißt wohl Wohnhaus in geschlossener Bebauung Ritterstraße 11 - kann man es entfernen bitte? Es ist jetzt unten in dm Feld für die Beschreibung in der ursprünglichen Datenbank [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2328033&diff=1144633926&oldid=1144559074&diffmode=source eingefügt] . Ich habe keinen Zugriff auf dieses Alias, kannst du es ändern/löschen? Danke, [[User:Conny|Conny]] ([[User talk:Conny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:50, 27 March 2020 (UTC).

* I can edit the second alias of that item, no idea what's wrong with your UI. You can also try [[Special:SetLabelDescriptionAliases/Q2328033/de]] to edit the aliases. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:06, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
* {{ping|Aschroet}} You added this alias. I'm not taking sides in this. I thought this was about just a technical edit to do something obvious. Would you and [[User:Conny]] please discuss work out whether this alias should be there or not? I'm very hesitant to just remove what someone thinks is a valid alias. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:55, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

::It is a known bug, right click the edit button and it takes you to "Set Item" where you started adding aliases and separating them with "|". It is the only known workaround. When aliases overflow the text field it causes the error for some people. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
::* {{ping|Conny}} on that last. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ([[User talk:Jmabel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Thank you. My question was only in technically aspects. Regards, [[User:Conny|Conny]] ([[User talk:Conny|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:41, 28 March 2020 (UTC).

== Property under "Identifiers" section ==

Can anyone edit {{P|1588}} so that it is put under "Identifiers" section (see at example {{Q|13098442}}), thanks. --[[User:Hddty|Hddty]] ([[User talk:Hddty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:23, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

*See [[Wikidata:Identifier_migration/1]]. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
**If I fix it until 100% unique, does that mean it will be automatically done for migration? --[[User:Hddty|Hddty]] ([[User talk:Hddty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:37, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
***No, nothing automatic, see [[Help:Data_type#Changing_datatype]]. Personally, I think it could be converted even if a cleanup would be helpful. Maybe {{ping|ArthurPSmith}} changed his mind. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 16:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

== Showing the name of deleted items ==

Is it possible to make it so linking to a deleted item will show it's name? It's hard to follow the discussions on Wikidata:Requests for deletions when you can't see which item represents which entity --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

*Normally, it should appear in the deletion log: see https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=&limit=500&type=delete&user=&page=&wpdate=&tagfilter=
:It generally works for deletions by {{ping|MisterSynergy|Ymblanter|Mahir256}}. 
:{{ping|HakanIST|Kostas20142|DannyS712}} can you check why it doesn't appear/fix the script/template/tool. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 15:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, but i want the name of the deleted items to appear when linking to them items outside of the deletion log. --[[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

== Visiting Fellows ==

{{Q|Q88543426}} is a Visiting Fellow at {{Q|Q88539446}}. I've marked this up using:

:{{Statement|Q88543426|P39|Q19324694|P642|Q88539446}}

with an additional qualifier of:

:{{Statement|Q19324694|P1932|Visiting Fellow}}

Is there a better method? 

For instance, we might use:

:{{Statement|Q88543426|P1416|Q88539446|P2868|Q19324694}}

but that would not fit the {{P|P1932}} qualifier. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:07, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

:If you like 

::{{Statement|Q88543426|P1416|Q88539446|P2868|Q19324694}}

:you could combine it with {{P|5997 }}. I’ll see if I can find some examples.  - [[User:PKM|PKM]] ([[User talk:PKM|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:45, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

:: :{{Statement|Q88543426|P39|Q19324694|P642|Q88539446}} seems reasonable to me, but timeframes are particularly relevant qualifiers for visiting fellows since they are typically short in duration. [[User:Jodi.a.schneider|Jodi.a.schneider]] ([[User talk:Jodi.a.schneider|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
::: Alternatively, {{P|108}} if a visiting fellow counts as an employee, with a {{P|39}} qualifier. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:48, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: My suggestion would have been to do something as similar as possible to the way {{Q|Q3809586}} is structured (https://w.wiki/Cx6). [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(evo&#38;evo)]] ([[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

== property for "represented by" in an electoral district? ==

Can '''{{P|P1875}}''' be used for a political {{Q|Q192611}}? Is there a better "represented by" property for electoral districts? For purposes of discussion, [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q88097478 here] is an example of an electoral district with a statement for the name of the particular politician representing that district. Not sure P1875 is appropriate. Thoughts? Thanks. -- [[User:M2545|M2545]] ([[User talk:M2545|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:31, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
*There was a discussion about this at [[Wikidata:Property proposal/Representative in legislature]]. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 16:07, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jura1}} Many thanks. -- [[User:M2545|M2545]] ([[User talk:M2545|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:26, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
:Much better to do this with statements on the person and not worry about making it reciprocal, I think. The lists can get absurdly long and complicated otherwise. (Edit: I see that was the gist of the discussion above, as well. I think I missed that one.) [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

== Need help for merging ==

I can't merge [[Q28150740]] and [[Q5295136]], can anyone help? I've deleted the Wikipedia links from the first entry and I've added them to the second entry yet the entries should be merged, I think. Thanks. — [[User:Ark25|'''<span style="background:#0070F0;color:#ffffff">&nbsp;Ark25&nbsp;</span>''']] ([[User_talk:Ark25|talk]]) 18:34, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
:They aren't the same thing. {{Q|Q28150740}} is a family name item and {{Q|Q5295136}} is a disambiguation page item. In particular, [[:en:Laurell]] is a disambiguation page of given names and family names using Laurell, so can't be moved to {{Q|Q28150740}}. If the other language pages are specifically for Laurell as a family name then you can unlink them from the disambiguation item and relink them to the family name item. A merge is not appropriate. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:15, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
:: {{ping|From Hill To Shore}} You are right, thanks for the answer. The Swedish article [[:sv:Laurell]] is for Laurell as a family name. Yet it should be changed into adding given names too. And then {{Q|Q28150740}} can be deleted. — [[User:Ark25|'''<span style="background:#0070F0;color:#ffffff">&nbsp;Ark25&nbsp;</span>''']] ([[User_talk:Ark25|talk]]) 21:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Ark25}} Family name items shouldn't be deleted. They are a vital part of the structure for biographical entries. Both the disambiguation item and the family name item should be retained as separate items. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
::::You need to use a different template at enwiki to indicate that it's a disambiguation page. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 21:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

== merge Q88962322 Serbian dinar ==

{{Q|88962322}} wants merging into {{Q|172524}}, but Special:MergeItems is complaining about a conflict, and I'm not quite sure how to resolve it. —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
: Without trying, I guess it is the English and Serbian descriptions that are conflicting. The solution is: choose one description for each of these languages, remove the other ones and repeat merge. (Looks like a question for a Serbian speaker.) --[[User:Matěj Suchánek|Matěj Suchánek]] ([[User talk:Matěj Suchánek|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:: It merged without any problems for me earlier. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|Ahoerstemeier]] ([[User talk:Ahoerstemeier|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Ahoerstemeier}} Thanks!  (Glad you had better luck than me.) —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
{{section resolved|[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)}}
== can't add link to "en" ==

Hi there, on [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q622489#sitelinks-wikipedia| Alfa Romeo] (Q622489) i would like to add the link to the article on the English Wikipedia which is "Alfa Romeo in Formula One" however, for some reason i can't add that link. What is happening here? Kind regards, [[User:Saschaporsche|Saschaporsche]] ([[User talk:Saschaporsche|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:28, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
:This is because Wikidata requires items be dissected to their finest element, and broad concept encyclopedia articles like "history of X" or "X in Y" don't necessarily have 1-to-1 correlations with other language wiki articles covering the same topic. The English article is linked to {{q|Q65960697}}, which seems to be the most broadest scope (a subclass of {{q|Q173886}}). {{q|Q622489}} refers to the Alfa Romero team(s), which compete in the events, but are not the events. [[User:Animalparty|-Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:56, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
::<s>Q622489 is the current team, there are other items for previous Alfa Romeo teams in the 1950s ([[Q61467970]]) and 1970s-1980s ([[Q84562554]]), and as an engine manufacturer ([[Q31890903]]). Q65960697 combines all of these, but some links have been moved to Q622489 when the items were merged, possibly incorrectly. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)</s> I looked at the content again, and they are duplicates - it was just the title that suggested they were not. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:06, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
::: Maybe need an item like {{Q|65954812}} or {{Q|65954940}}. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
::::If you take a look at [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q622489#sitelinks-wikipedia| Alfa Romeo] (Q622489) you can see that there is NO link to any article in English language. I still think that adding "Alfa Romeo in Formula One" to Q622489 is the correct solution. kind regards [[User:Saschaporsche|Saschaporsche]] ([[User talk:Saschaporsche|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::Done. [[User:Saschaporsche|Saschaporsche]] ([[User talk:Saschaporsche|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:44, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

== How to find the Wikidata entry for a Wikipedia article? ==

I'm at [[:en:Diviš]] and I want to add it to Wikidata ([[:cs:Diviš]] - {{Q|Q1231604}}) and it doesn't work (I was ussing the button "Add links"). It says ''"Could not link pages: failed to merge corresponding items on Wikidata. Attempted modification of the Item failed."''. So I guess the English Wikipedia article already has an entry at Wikidata and it can't be merged with this entry {{Q|Q1231604}} (which contains items for ''cs'', ''de'' and ''ru'' languages). 

And then, how can I find the Wikidata entry for the [[:en:Diviš]] article? — [[User:Ark25|'''<span style="background:#0070F0;color:#ffffff">&nbsp;Ark25&nbsp;</span>''']] ([[User_talk:Ark25|talk]]) 01:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
:If you are viewing on a desktop computer, the Wikipedia article should show a link to the Wikidata item on the left hand panel. This should be present in all language versions of Wikipedia if the article has been linked (if you can't find the Wikidata link in the foreign language, just hover over each link until you see the one pointing to the Wikidata URL).
:In this case, the English article is sitting correctly at {{Q|21502071}} as it relates solely to family names. If the other articles are solely about family names they should be relinked to the family item. If they include other subjects in addition to family names they should remain linked to the more general disambiguation item. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

== Article “De rerun natura” (Q861986) of “enwiki” should be linked with the article “O přírodě” (Q15640251) of “cswiki” ==

The article “De rerum natura” (Q861986) of the “enwiki” doesn’t link to the Czech language version - article “O přírodě” (Q15640251) of the “cswiki”. I am obviously not allowed to save the link (I tried it to be sure and received an error).

I request that someone with appropriate access links the articles.[[Special:Contributions/37.48.40.143|37.48.40.143]] 01:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
: The article [[:cs:O_přírodě]] seems to be about a translation, not the original work. In that case, the item {{Q|Q15640251}} can be made an edition item, similar to {{Q|24577171}}. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

== Wikidata objects for instances of [[d:Wikidata:Events|Wikidata:Events]]? Out of scope or relevant? ==

I'm soon [[Wikidata:Events/Wikidata for beginners|hosting an event]]. Regarding [[Wikidata:Notability]] it may qualify for "2." but I doubt it fulfills "The entity must be notable, in the sense that it can be described using serious and publicly available references.". Am I in the wrong for bringing this up or is this a topic of any value? [[User:Datariumrex|Datariumrex]] ([[User talk:Datariumrex|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:44, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
== Merging entries about name disambiguations ==

{{Q|Q16445474}} – {{Q|Q36935631}} — {{Q|Q82014430}} — They are all about the family name "Bartuška" (and it's variant "Bartuska"). Yet some of the Wikipedia articles were created as ''plain disambiguation pages'' (cs, de, lt) instead of being created as ''name disambiguation pages''. That's why Wikidata has more than one entry for the same thing. These entries should be merged into a single entry and the other two should be deleted. And some people will argue they should not be merged - like for example [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q809598 here].

At this moment, it is actually harder to interwiki-link such articles between them, because of Wikidata. It was easier to link them in those times when Wikidata did not exist yet.

For sure, there are (tens of) thousands of situations like this - for example "Bareikis" and "Diviš". So I think someone should be in charge of solving such issues. — [[User:Ark25|'''<span style="background:#0070F0;color:#ffffff">&nbsp;Ark25&nbsp;</span>''']] ([[User_talk:Ark25|talk]]) 03:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
:Already solved, we distinguish items about disambiguation pages, given/family names and its variants (see [[Wikidata:WikiProject Names]]), although wikis often conflate these into one or more pages. No need to merge these.--[[User:Jklamo|Jklamo]] ([[User talk:Jklamo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:12, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
::Some languages use disambiguation templates on surname pages, then when the Wikidata items are created, disambiguation statements to them, usually by bots. If these are not disambiguation pages, the people who operate these bots need to know which wikis do this, and to stop adding disambiguation statements. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

== how bad are loops in the subclass-of hierarchy? ==

I think I've heard this mentioned somewhere, so it's probably no surprise, but I just had one of my little programs crash on what turned out to be a loop in the {{P|279}} hierarchy:

* {{Statement|Q28728771|P279|Q28732711}}
** {{Statement|Q28732711|P279|Q27166344}}
*** {{Statement|Q27166344|P279|Q35758}}
**** {{Statement|Q35758|P279|Q28728771}}
***** {{Statement|Q28728771|P279|Q28732711}}
****** ...

Is this considered a problem, and is there any wish to / hope of fixing it? (In the meantime I'll fix my program; I'm not holding my breath. :-) ) —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:25, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

:{{re|Scs}} I'm not sure, but there's also {{Q|23958852}} which is (correctly, it seems) an instance of itself, so ''some'' loops are okay. [[User:Samwilson|Sam]] [[User talk:Samwilson|Wilson]] 12:44, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

: A loop in the {{P|279}} hierarchy is not *necessarily* an error, but such loops are almost invariably a symptom of a modelling problem.   It can be difficult, however, to determine just what the fix should be.  In this particular case, which of the above {{P|279}} links are incorrect, if any?  Or are they all correct, and the four concepts in question are actually the same (and should probably be merged).  The english descriptions of the concepts are not very helpful here.  [[User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider|Peter F. Patel-Schneider]] ([[User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

:{{Q|Q35758}} says it has more than one definition; {{Q|Q27166344}} appears to be an attempt to define an ambiguous term (two definitions of "substance" are the items with "substance" in the title, but there are more). Because of the ambiguity, either "substance" or "matter" may be a subclass of the other. The difference between material substance and matter is also unclear - matter can include antimatter. [[User:Peter James|Peter James]] ([[User talk:Peter James|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
: Subclass loops are bad, but we do occasionally get them. I regularly monitor the problem cases shown on [[Wikidata:WikiProject Ontology/Problems]] but some are easier to clean up than others... Help is welcome! [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
:: If I understand the idea behind it, {{Q|28732711}} is supposed to represent anything made out of fundamental particles, including the particles themselves (since massless particles travel at the speed of light and don't really form "substances".) So I've broken the loop by removing the relevant subclass statement from that item. [[User:Ghouston|Ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:54, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

== Wikidata weekly summary #409 ==

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<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">''Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.''</div>
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* '''[[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Events|Events]]'''
** Today: [[d:User:Powerek38/Wikiponiedziałek|Edit tools for Wikidata]], on-line workshop in Polish, [https://meet.google.com/qxo-cxno-vvb access link], March 30, 17:00 GMT (7pm Warsaw time)
** Upcoming:  [[d:Wikidata:Events/Swedish_online_editathon#Meetup_#7|Online Wikidata editathon in Swedish #7]], April 5
** Upcoming: [[d:Wikidata:Events/Wikidata for beginners|Wikidata for beginners]], April 1
** Upcoming: [https://wikiworkshop.org/2020/ Wiki Workshop], researchers forum (fully remote), on April 21. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2020-March/013914.html More information], [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe2ctfYVIokWYsvUfxcdF-FNwrymgzpNZLh25EhU8JbvKp1tA/viewform registration]
** Upcoming: The [[m:Celtic_Knot_Conference_2020|Celtic Knot Wikimedia Language Conference]] will take place fully remotely in July 2020. Call for submissions with remote formats is open until April 30th.
** Upcoming: the [[d:Wikidata:Events/Wikidata Wochenende Ulm 2020|Wikidata Wochenende]] (previously in Ulm) will take place fully remote on June 12-14

* '''[[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Press coverage|Press, articles, blog posts, videos]]'''
** Video: [https://vimeo.com/399597324 How can Wikimedia projects help fight the pandemic], by Susanna Ånäs
** ''[https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Investigating-Software-Usage-in-the-Social-A-Graph-Schindler-Zapilko/1553ebb524a1716f7667b8d577b37f6a2ffb8e02?email_index=0-0-0 Investigating Software Usage in the Social Sciences: A Knowledge Graph Approach]'' ("we linked the entities of the knowledge graph to other knowledge bases such as the Microsoft Academic Knowledge Graph, the Software Ontology, and Wikidata")
** ''[https://egonw.github.io/SARS-CoV-2-Queries/ Wikidata Queries around the SARS-CoV-2 virus and pandemic]'' (free eBook)
** Video: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/577443863 Live SPARQL editing in French by Vigneron]
** Video: Live editing in English by Ainali and Abbe98: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgdn8gziCPo Youtube], [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/578473221 Twitch], [https://www.pscp.tv/w/1vOxwoYWDPDxB Periscope], [https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/2787102894670857/ Facebook]

* '''Tool of the week'''
** [[d:User:1Veertje/identifierInput|IdentifierInput]]: when adding identifiers, it lets you paste the full URL, and extracts the ID part

* '''Other Noteworthy Stuff'''
** About Wikidata dumps:
*** [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-March/093207.html No second XML dump in March]
*** [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248612 RDF and JSON dumps generation is broken] (no new dump since March 11th, fix in progress)
** [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2020-March/013903.html Wikidata knowledge imbalance dashboard - Alpha release]
** [https://blog.archive.org/2020/03/24/announcing-a-national-emergency-library-to-provide-digitized-books-to-students-and-the-public/ Internet Archive has launched a National Emergency Library] and [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2020-March/013905.html would like to work together with WikiCite]
** wb_terms migration: a temporary table has been created, the current wb_terms table will be emptied on April 6th ([[d:Wikidata:Project_chat#Important_for_tool_maintainers:_last_steps_of_wb_terms_table_migration|more details]])

* '''Did you know?'''
<!-- NEW PROPERTIES DO NOT REMOVE -->
** Newest [[d:Special:ListProperties|properties]]:
*** General datatypes: [[:d:Property:P8017|generational suffix]], [[:d:Property:P8026|LiverTox likelihood score]], [[:d:Property:P8030|size designation]], [[:d:Property:P8031|perpetrator]], [[:d:Property:P8032|victim]]
*** External identifiers: [[:d:Property:P8018|IGCD game ID]], [[:d:Property:P8019|Kickstarter project ID]], [[:d:Property:P8020|Gram.pl game ID]], [[:d:Property:P8021|Kooora/Goalzz player ID]], [[:d:Property:P8022|RFI Musique artist ID]], [[:d:Property:P8023|VideoGamer.com game ID]], [[:d:Property:P8024|Nobel Laureate API ID]], [[:d:Property:P8025|VGMRips system ID]], [[:d:Property:P8027|VGMRips company ID]], [[:d:Property:P8028|GameRevolution game ID]], [[:d:Property:P8029|PIV Online ID]], [[:d:Property:P8033|Movie Review Query Engine ID]], [[:d:Property:P8034|VcBA ID]], [[:d:Property:P8035|m3db.com film ID]]
<!-- END NEW PROPERTIES -->
<!-- NEW PROPOSALS DO NOT REMOVE -->
** New [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Property proposal|property proposals]] to review:
*** General datatypes: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Chinese Clinical Trial Registry identifier|Chinese Clinical Trial Registry identifier]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/donated to|donated to]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/number of hospitalized cases|number of hospitalized cases]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/number of home cases|number of home cases]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/ARK formatter|ARK formatter]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Filceolaire|Filceolaire]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/viability on surface|viability on surface]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/entry receptor|entry receptor]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/birth rate|birth rate]]
*** External identifiers: [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/SAN archive producer ID|SAN archive producer ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/SAR ancestor ID|SAR ancestor ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/National Catalog of Hospitals ID|National Catalog of Hospitals ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Pinakes copyist or possessor ID|Pinakes copyist or possessor ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Frankfurter Personenlexikon ID|Frankfurter Personenlexikon ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Encyklopedia Solidarności ID|Encyklopedia Solidarności ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Geschichtsquellen des deutschen Mittelalters author ID|Geschichtsquellen des deutschen Mittelalters author ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/identifiant Geneastar|identifiant Geneastar]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Geschichtsquellen des deutschen Mittelalters work ID|Geschichtsquellen des deutschen Mittelalters work ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Women of Scotland ID|Women of Scotland ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Women of Scotland subject ID|Women of Scotland subject ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/World Biographical Information System ID|World Biographical Information System ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/COTREX trail ID|COTREX trail ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural Atlas ID|Natural Atlas ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Apache Project ID|Apache Project ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Amazon Prime Video ID|Amazon Prime Video ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Archival Resource Key|Archival Resource Key]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/UM-BBD compound ID|UM-BBD compound ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/BitterDB Compound ID|BitterDB Compound ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/FooDB compound ID|FooDB compound ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/ModelSEED compound ID|ModelSEED compound ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Hopital.fr ID|Hopital.fr ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/BookBrainz publisher ID|BookBrainz publisher ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Macdonald Dictionary ID|Macdonald Dictionary ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/FHF hospital group ID|FHF hospital group ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/FHF establishment ID|FHF establishment ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Ameli ID|Ameli ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Pascal et Francis ID|Pascal et Francis ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Retronews ID|Retronews ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Elephind.com|Elephind.com]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/What Do They Know organisation ID|What Do They Know organisation ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Papers Past|Papers Past]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Internetowy Polski Słownik Biograficzny ID|Internetowy Polski Słownik Biograficzny ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/I-Revues ID|I-Revues ID]], [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/BDSP ID|BDSP ID]]
<!-- END NEW PROPOSALS -->
** Query examples: 
*** [https://w.wiki/LbG People born more than a year after one of their parents]
*** [https://w.wiki/Lbc UK MPs who were born after their father's death] ([https://twitter.com/generalising/status/1244351531882893316 source])
*** [https://w.wiki/Lbe National flags representing mountains] ([https://twitter.com/slaettaratindur/status/1244364986723577861 source])
*** [https://w.wiki/Lbf Map of Umgebindehäuser (Upper Lusatian houses)] ([https://twitter.com/saxorum/status/1243967738999169026 source])
*** [https://w.wiki/Lbh Map of megaliths in Morbihan (Bretagne)] ([https://twitter.com/slaettaratindur/status/1242906385605591041 source])

* '''Development'''
** Fix an issue with the Wikidata dumps ([[phab:T248612]])
** Migrate to and read from new store for item terms ([[phab:T219123]])
** Create wb_terms_no_longer_updated to ease the transition to the new tables
** Bridge: improve the rendering of references ([[phab:T238661]])
** More work on editing references ([[phab:T240333]])
** Continue setting up a test system to work on federated properties
** More research on suggesting references

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== Could not save due to an error. The save has failed. ==

For wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q88659818, I am getting the error: "Could not save due to an error. The save has failed", when trying to publish the Wikipedia item as en:David H. McConnell.

Please help!--[[User:Greghenderson2006|Greghenderson2006]] ([[User talk:Greghenderson2006|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
: {{ping|Greghenderson2006}} Sorry about the bad error message. However, there already was a Wikidata item for this person - {{Q|5234543}} - which had that enwiki link. I've merged the two items now. You can find an existing Wikidata item for any Wikipedia page by looking at the left-hand navigation bar and clicking on the "Wikidata Item" link (under "Tools"). [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC) (fixed ping - [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC))

:: Thanks!  [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] --[[User:Greghenderson2006|Greghenderson2006]] ([[User talk:Greghenderson2006|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

:  [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] Another duplicate is here:
::*George W. Blunt (Q71334310)
::*George W. Blunt (Q85763168)
::*George William Blunt (Q55901118)
::I would like to keep George W. Blunt (Q71334310). Can you help?--[[User:Greghenderson2006|Greghenderson2006]] ([[User talk:Greghenderson2006|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:44, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Greghenderson2006}} Done. Usually we merge into the item with the lower ID (which would have been the 3rd in this case) but since it had nothing linking to it internally I went ahead as you asked. See [[Help:Merge]] for how to be able to do this yourself... [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: And the external links? --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 21:50, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

== web.archive.org not loading ==

I posted about this before, just wanted to update in case any others have been dealing with this as I've figured out the cause.

Since 2015 the BBFC have classed archive.org as an adult content website (see [https://bbfc.co.uk/sites/default/files/attachments/Quarterly%20Report%20December%202018.pdf their re-review in 2018 here]). This means in the UK it is blocked by ISP adult content filtering if your ISP is a mobile operator. For some reason my ISP had not started enforcing this until recently I guess (although I can still access clearly adult websites elsewhere). Anyway, if anyone else has the issue you should be able to disable the filtering somewhere. --[[User:SilentSpike|SilentSpike]] ([[User talk:SilentSpike|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
== Data on Coronavirus > Wikidata > Wikitable in English ==

What might it take to automatically update the plot [[commons:File:CoViD-19 US.svg]] each time the data table in [[w:2020 coronavirus pandemic in the United States#CDC reported U.S. totals]] is updated?  

I think a key part of this would be to translate [[:fr:Modèle:Tableau qualificateurs]];  it seems currently not to be available in English.  I could probably translate the documentation from French into English, but I don't have access to the code that actually does the work.  I don't know what language that's written in, but I could probably find the French-language labels and translate those into English and make it all work with a little help.  (I started writing Fortran in 1963.  I've written code in many different languages since then and debugged code in languages I didn't really know.)  

Updating [[commons:File:CoViD-19 US.svg]] automatically will take more than just this, but this is a big part of what would be needed to automate that.  And, of course, this capability has many other applications in facilitating crowdsourcing all kinds of data collection and analysis, e.g., a [[v:International Conflict Observatory]], which I believe could potentially facilitate a dramatic reduction in armed conflict worldwide.  Thanks, [[User:DavidMCEddy|DavidMCEddy]] ([[User talk:DavidMCEddy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

== COVID-19 confusion ==

The COVID-19 page here is pointing at a mixture of topics: some are descriptions ofthe disease but others are pointers to pages about the current pandemic. I am no expert on naming conventions but In my wiki-travels I met one enwiki wikipedian who has been doing nothing else for years. Wikidata should engage some experts like this here imio. [[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

== Best way to go about getting all "classes" that have atleast one {?thing wdt:P31/wdt:P279 ?class} relationship ==

Hi,

I'm building an interface for performing simple SPARQL queries on Wikidata. I need an autocomplete feature for this, for which I've used the Wikidata query service thus far. However, I only want to list wikidata entries that have at least one entry that is an instance- or subclass of that first entry. 

Should I download a dump and set up my own index? If this is possible to do using SPARQL or some other service, that would be greatly preferrable. <small>&nbsp;&ndash; {{Autotranslate|base=Unsigned/text|1=Matsjsk|2=09:06, 25 March 2020‎}}</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
: {{Ping|Matsjsk}} There are 69548 direct classes:
{{SPARQL|query=
SELECT distinct ?class  WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P31 ?class.
  }
}}
and 114965 superclasses:
{{SPARQL|query=
SELECT distinct ?class  WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P279 ?class.
  }
}}
I think these should cover all. Unfortunately combined query (P31/P279*) times out. --[[User:Infovarius|Infovarius]] ([[User talk:Infovarius|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:48, 31 March 2020 (UTC)