Jesus has been 'the constant

companion of my life'

Sean Salai, S.J. December 02, 2015

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Gerald O’Collins, S.J., is an Australian Jesuit systematic theologian  who currently
serves as an adjunct professor at the Australian Catholic University. He studied at
Xavier College and the University of Melbourne before entering the Society of
Jesus in 1950 and being ordained to the priesthood in 1963. He holds a Ph.D. in
theology from the University of Cambridge, an S.T.L. from Heythrop College, and
M.A. and B.A. degrees in classics from the University of Melbourne.

From 1973 to 2006, Father O’Collins taught theology at the Gregorian University
in Rome. Prior to that, he taught theology during alternating semesters at the Jesuit
Theological College (Melbourne) and at Weston School of Theology (Boston) from
1969 to 1973.

A longtime contributor to   America since 1970, Father O’Collins has authored or

co-authored more than 60 books, including the recent  “Christology: Origins,
Developments, Debates”  (Baylor University Press, 2015) that is a follow-up to his
original “Christology” book.

On Oct. 15, I interviewed Father O’Collins by email about his work.

On June 15, you published a follow-up to your original Christology book. What

inspired you to write a second book on Christology?

My original Christology book, now in a revised edition with Oxford University

Press, aimed to provide students and professors with basic teaching. That put me
under the constraint of covering the essential biblical, historical and theological
questions. Then the admirable director of Baylor University Press, Dr. Carey
Newman, wanted a book from me, and I thought: “Yes, it’s worth charting recent
debates about Jesus, illustrating how Peter and Paul are key guides to faith in him,
and taking stock of some issues that concern today’s vital dialogue with those of
other faiths.” And so I published my recent Christology.

What is Christology and what’s the most important thing for ordinary
Catholics to know about it?

In the discipline of Christology we ask: “Who was and is Jesus?” and “What has he
done for us and for our world?” Our answers shape our sense of Catholic and
Christian identity. If we don’t get Jesus right, we won’t get the Church right.

In this new book, what lessons or graces do you draw from recent debates in
Christology?

Let me mention three welcome developments. First, Larry Hurtado and others have
firmly established that, from the earliest years of Christianity, Jesus was
worshipped and acknowledged as truly divine. Second, the Christology of Jon
Sobrino, S.J., and of other liberation theologians, has pressed the cause of
transforming society through the practice of justice and peace. Third, Han Urs von
Balthasar has encouraged recognizing the beauty of Christ as a central datum.

You are a “systematic theologian.” What do those words mean to you and what
is distinctive about your own approach to this field?

Systematic theology sets itself to clarify terms, ask central questions, and organize
the basic data of Christian faith into a coherent whole. From the start of my
theological career, I drew on the Scriptures and historical sources, and took
advantage of outstanding philosophers. From the early 1980s, I made experience
the leitmotif of my theology. Finally, I always aimed to use straightforward and
accessible English when writing my books and articles. It must be a matter of
lasting regret that too many theologians continue to write a clunky English that fails
to communicate vividly. 

Recent surveys indicate that young Catholics want an experience of God from
their religion rather than a set of principles. Pope Francis, our fellow Jesuit,
seems to reinforce this attitude when he talks about faith in terms of an
encounter with Jesus Christ who is truth. Given this evangelical emphasis on
the primacy of relationships over ideas, how would you describe the role of
theology in the Catholic Church today?

Much Catholic theology already takes advantage of the help provided by excellent
biblical scholarship and historical research, not to mention the contributions coming
from the human and natural sciences. But that theology should be more relational,
experiential and prayerful. This would mean following Eastern-rite Christians by
letting the Holy Spirit draw out the best in our experiences and relationships, and so
making theology serve our common worship and personal prayer. Western theology
still needs to make more room for the “Go-between God.”

In your five decades as an academic theologian, what are some of the biggest
developments and changes you’ve witnessed in Catholic theology?

Catholic theology has witnessed seismic shifts as it has ceased being largely a male,
clerical monopoly. Supported by the growth of biblical and historical studies, it has
generally left behind abstract scholasticism and joined Blessed John Henry
Newman in examining how church teaching actually developed over the centuries.
Theological leadership has largely passed from Belgium, France and Germany to
the United States.

From your perspective, what does Catholic theology most need today?

Driven by the pastoral needs of our world and church, too many up and coming
theologians are reluctant to learn the languages, ancient and modern, and do the
research required by their calling. More than ever, Catholic theology needs men and
women ready to devote themselves to tough study.

The magisterium, or teaching authority of bishops united with the pope, often
restrains theologians out of pastoral concern to protect the faithful from
theories which seem too novel or too unproven. What gift does the magisterium
offer to theologians?

The bishops not only lead the church but also represent innumerable rank and file
Catholics. They form a jury for theologians to address when testing the results of
their study and new insights. Dialogue with bishops helps ensure healthy theology.

Many Jesuit theologians, especially in the years before the Second Vatican
Council, have been restricted from publishing and teaching but later endorsed
as orthodox. Karl Rahner, S.J., even suggested once that theologians aren’t
really doing anything interesting until they have been censured for a while.
What gift do theologians offer to the magisterium?

Much more than bishops, theologians have the time for reading, reflection and
discussion. They should offer bishops the fruits of their work and, at times,
respectful correction.
Your book on the Trinity was called The Tripersonal God. What key insights
have you tried to contribute to our Catholic theology of the Trinity?

Four questions loomed large to prompt insights in The Tripersonal God: What can
we know of our triune God? How should we worship our God? What does God call
us to do? What may we hope to receive through “the grace of Our Lord Jesus
Christ, the love of God the Father, and the communion of the Holy Spirit”?

Your recent book on Jesus Our Priest emphasizes Christ’s threefold office of

priest, prophet and king. What image captures this theology of Christ’s
priesthood most vividly for you?

A photograph from a Coptic cathedral in Egypt shows Christ the High Priest in
glory stretching out his wounded hands to the universe.

In recent decades, some Christian theologians have re-articulated our ancient

discomfort with the historical and physical reality of Jesus Christ’s
resurrection, seeking to explain this event in metaphorical or psychological
terms. But in your own works on the resurrection, you have insisted that
Scripture itself makes it impossible to interpret Christ’s resurrection as
anything other than an event that happened to a physical body. Based on your
research, what’s wrong with recent theologies that seek to reinterpret the
resurrection in non-literal terms?

Theologies that favor an “over-spiritual” interpretation of Christ’s resurrection

propose the survival of his inner self, or, even worse, that “resurrection” is merely a
way of talking about our continuing to live up to his ideals. They misinterpret the
robust New Testament proclamation that he rose bodily from the tomb and into a
new life of glory. Without accepting the empty tomb, we don’t believe in the living
and powerful Christ who will transform human beings and their world.

One theological challenge with the resurrection, as with many of the miracles
reported in Scripture, is that we seem unable to explain precisely how it
occurred. Summarizing your own work, what do you believe really happened
to Jesus Christ in the resurrection?

When Jesus rose body and soul from the dead, his historical life rose with him. His
material existence was transformed and lifted beyond all the limits we experience in
our earthly life. With Christ’s human capacity to relate and communicate
maximalized, the resurrection prefigured God’s transforming activity that will
finally change and redeem the whole created universe. These are the headlines; it is
hard to press on and supply the small print. After all, in dealing with the
resurrection, we face the awesome Easter mystery that eludes the grasp of our
intellect.

In his book The Survival of Dogma, the late Cardinal Avery Dulles, S.J.,

pointed out that our Catholic theology of the Eucharist could use further
refinement in today’s world, but he added that recent theories like
“transfinalization” and “transsignification” had failed to provide satisfactory
alternatives to the classical dogma of transubstantiation. At this point in the
history of Catholic dogma, what ways, if any, do you see for our theology of the
Eucharist to develop in a positive way that still honors traditional teaching?

Blessed Pope Paul VI wisely remarked that “as a result of transubstantiation, the
species of bread and wine undoubtedly take on a new meaning and a new finality.”
As the greatest of the sacraments and the central act of worship in the life of the
church, the Eucharist can never be neatly summed up. Mario Farrugia and I spent
many pages in Catholicism (Oxford University Press, rev. edn., 2015) trying to
freshen up theologically a traditional and  contemporary appreciation of the
Eucharist.

In the Eastern Catholic churches, theology has developed in directions which

feel much closer to Orthodox Christianity than to Roman Catholicism,
resulting in a faith that is fully Catholic and at the same time completely free of
Thomist influences. What can Latin Rite Catholics learn from the Eastern
Catholic tradition in our theology today?

The Eastern Catholic tradition has both treasured the role of the Holy Spirit in the
church’s life and maintained a lively sense of beauty, divine and human. This
theology of icons has much to teach Western Catholics and theologians.

What is the most important thing you’ve learned from theology?

Over the years I have learned the need to “watch my language” in the presence of
God. We theologians need to be scrupulous about the words we use.     

How does your Jesuit identity and training influence the way you do theology?

The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius, which shape the training and identity of
Jesuits, are utterly Jesus-centered. That has profoundly influenced my theology and
also led to my putting the name of “Jesus” into the titles of 10 or more of my books.

Who is Jesus Christ to you?

The constant companion of my life, Jesus is the One on whom I want to center all
my thinking and loving. 

When you meet Jesus in the next life, what do you expect will happen?

I expect to be simply swept away by the unique beauty of Christ. I hope and pray
that he will forgive my sins and perhaps even thank me for speaking up for him in
my teaching and writing.

Who are your role models in the Catholic faith, either living or dead?

I have found role models in students I taught at the Gregorian University who, like
Blessed Oscar Romero (an earlier alumnus), have been martyred for the practice of
their faith: Patrick Gahizi, S.J., Sister Luz Marina Valencia Treviño and others.
Modern-day good Samaritans, they went out of their way to help wounded people
and paid the ultimate price for their love.

How do you pray?

The Psalms and phrases from the New Testament (e.g., “love endures all”) nourish
best my prayer life.

How has your faith changed or evolved over the years?

When I entered the Society of Jesus, I thought too much about my own eternal
salvation. I had to learn the central importance of loving service towards other
people.
What is your favorite Scripture passage and why?

I treasure St. Paul’s hymn to love in 1 Corinthians 13, and find it comes alive
repeatedly when I substitute the name of “Jesus” for “love.” After all, he was and is
in person the “agapē” which Paul celebrates.

How would you describe the theology of Pope Francis?

Pope Francis is trying to implement the teaching of Vatican II: for instance, the
collegial governance and a radical concern for the poor that the council endorsed.

If you could say one thing to Pope Francis about Catholic theology today, what
would it be?

Please encourage more theologians like Cardinal Walter Kasper to step forward and
help them to be heard.

What regrets do you have about the past?

I wish that I had done more for the sick, the hungry and those in jail.

What are your hopes for the future?

I hope that the good Lord will continue to help me serve others in whatever years
are left to me.

What do you want people to take away from your life and work?
Right now I am just about to publish the third volume of my memoirs, From Rome
to Royal Park (Connor Court and Gracewing). An autobiography is inevitably an
act of self-justification. Yet I hope these volumes will enlighten people as to where,
warts and all, my life and theology came from.  

Where do you find God most strongly in your life right now?

Living as I do among thousands of university students, both Australian and

international students, I find God in their zest for life and hopes for the future.

Any final thoughts?

Lastly, I want to express my profound gratitude for the enduring hospitality shown
to me by America magazine and all those who have lived over the years at America
House.

Sean Salai, S.J., is a contributing writer at America.

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