Marilyn Manson: Classic or Dud?

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Ally, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh really,....yawn! While I'd much rather suffer through his brand of shamelessly derivative juvenalia that today's current crop of mookish, zinjanthropin rap-metal and whistle-headed teenybopper cheese whiz, Marilyn's schtick was old hat from the get-go. The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Alice Cooper, Kiss, the Misfits, the Plasmatics, Alien Sex Fiend, GG Allin, Ministry and about nineteen-dozen other superior bands got their first and did it better. I'm not saying he's not a bright guy, but please.....the word "classic" should never be uttered in the same sentence as Marilyn Manson.

alex in nyc, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Gratuitous violence.

Sterling Clover, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

His book is hilarious. A must-read!

tarden, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Actually ghost-written by Neil Strauss....who also ghost wrote THE DIRT, "by" Motley Crue.

alex in nyc, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

camp classic, fashion dud

Geoff, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

the weird thing about living in the uk is that you never actually hear marilyn manson. obviously its not top of the 'weird in the uk' list, but still. anyway, i've only ever heard about 30 seconds of marilyn manson in a record chain store. i was excpecting something metal, but it sounded like bowie to me. this may have been something off mechanical animals. i don't know...

gareth, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Classic, for the simple reason that anyone who can outrage an entire nation (well, ok, can outrage a small yet vocal and easily outraged section of an entire nation's population) simply by recycling old Adam Ant records has to be doing something right.

jamesmichaelward, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I think Strauss had a hand in the sphincter that is the Dave Navarro biography as well.

Well, let's see - rises from the murky depths of Florida, goes out to shock in a Kiss-like fashion (since he obviously can't keep up with the death metal / biology freaks that define the Floridian experience), picks a really obvious cover song to browbeat the masses with (oh, some of them LIKE to be abused, OK - sing that part really spooky like, thanks, Brian), hits an interesting sonic nerve with "Beautiful People" (assuming you tune him out in the verses & pay attention to the other stuff), attaches tired Nazi imagery & his flabby, pale, sub-Howard-Stern-esque ass to said song during an MTV performance, does a switch-up & turns into an androgynous Bowie-esque glam freak (and does so quite well, I might add), and then reverts back to Mr. Scary Man (going so far as to reclaim "Beautiful People" for a lesser diatribe) to reclaim the meat of his fanbase that jumped ship when he got REALLY freaky. Also - worked with Sneaker Pimps (?!?) for a song on that god-awful _Spawn_ movie soundtrack. Also - allowed Rose McGowan to affix herself onto him & parasitically absorb his pseudo-freaky-deaky vibe for her own personal gain (which she needed, after those Akari movies & _Jawbreaker_). Also - gave a guitarist fellatio on stage with parents watching AKA trying too hard.

I'm scared more of the Lords of Acid. Or the Genitorturers. Or Nashville Pussy. He does give good soundbytes every so often. But Trent pushes more buttons without saying a damn thing. And sounds better doing it. D to the U to the D.

David Raposa, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I wish I had a Twiggy doll.

Arthur, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

three years pass...
Poison bubblegum. Jim Foetus' pretensions recyled at the level of The Sweet. Therefore purely, wonderfully trash classic, at a level beyond Kylie.

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Soukesian, Friday, 10 September 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

as media personality...classic.

as rock music: not classic, but occasionally entertaining.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 11 September 2004 08:47 (twenty years ago) link

Funny how the tracklist for his upcoming best of reads like a Britney Greatest Hits for the alternateens. But better.

I'm American, Saturday, 11 September 2004 13:30 (twenty years ago) link

i love manson, dont care for his music at all though. saw him live once and he was well, crap. not shocking or crazy or even good musically.

splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 11 September 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

The big test is, of course, closing your eyes while the video's on and just listening to the music. Manson fails that test Every. Single. Time. He occasionally comes up with (shoplifts) a half-decent image; the last one was the monkey Pope in I forget which video, and the last one before that was him riding a pig in the "Sweet Dreams" video. So they're pretty few and far between, and the music always needs to be either heavier or just have a better drum sound or more effects on the vocals or something, but it always sounds like something any one of his teenage fans could have made. Fizzling, sputtering dud.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 12 September 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

Classic for Mechanical Animals alone.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 12 September 2004 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

I'll second that. His shining moment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 September 2004 11:59 (twenty years ago) link

Nah, that album's crap too, it's just multicolored crap instead of monochrome crap.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 13 September 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago) link

alex in nyc OTM! There's simply nothing more to debate after his first post. I sort of liked "The dope show" and that's the nicest thing I can say about Manson.

daavid (daavid), Monday, 13 September 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

Nah, that album's crap too, it's just multicolored crap instead of monochrome crap.

I'm listening to it now and it's one of the best sellout moves ever! Michael Beinhorn finally had a reason to exist!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 September 2004 00:23 (twenty years ago) link

_Mechanical Animals_ is great for the first four tracks ALONE and those aren't the only good songs on the album.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 01:33 (twenty years ago) link

His earlier singles are all sort of the same and really good. "Sweet Dreams" or "Beautiful People" should have been on the best of the '90s poll.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 13 September 2004 02:33 (twenty years ago) link

god seeing sweet dreams the first time on MTV was grebt.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 13 September 2004 09:56 (twenty years ago) link

i like his soft cell and eurythmics covers. his david bowie remake (i cant even remember which song) was terrible though.

splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 13 September 2004 11:24 (twenty years ago) link

"Mechanical Animals" or "Disassociative" vie for the honor of being his best song ("The Dope Show" and "The Beautiful People" vie for best single honors).

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link

I thought his cover of "Sweet Dreams" is crapola.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 13 September 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
New Marilyn Manson - "If I Was Your Vampire"
https://www.stereogum.com/archives/005124.html

the freak has a new girlfriend - aged 19 !

djmartian, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

classic classic classic. i love him. though only "portrait of an american family" "antichrist superstar" and "mechanical animals" are worth it. perfect late 90's in your face goth metal scare the cheerleaders and the elderly english teacher behold satan get a fucked up haircut and piss off your parents rock.

Emily Bjurnhjam, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

MARILYN MANSON WENT TO MY HIGH SCHOOL!!!!

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

This is a joke thread, right?

Rich Smörgasbord, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

third-rate Alice Cooper

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

love him as well. mechanical animals has always been my favorite but portrait is great too. antichrist was a good album, and holy wood has a few great tracks but is mostly spotty. grotesque was pretty bad all the way through...here's to hoping that he's back on track with the new one.

Reatards Unite, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

lol he calls his new 19 yr old gf his "twin." YOU ARE 38 AND UGLY, BRIAN.

chaki, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

https://glosslip.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/brianandrachel.JPG

“I’ve found my double, my twin, with my new girlfriend, Evan Rachel Wood,” Manson, 38, tells France’s Le Parisien newspaper.”She’s 19 and certainly that’s very young,” he added, “but that’s not a problem for me. She likes the same things as me. She understands I like to get up when night falls and go to sleep at dawn.”

chaki, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

So so so SO fucking dud.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

that sounds crazy and backwards

xp

deeznuts, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

evan rachel wood was in some movie i think.

Emily Bjurnhjam, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

she looks like a cheerleader

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

“I’ve found a hot piece of teenage gash with my new girlfriend, Evan Rachel Wood,” Manson, 38, tells France’s Le Parisien newspaper.

jim, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

When marilyn mansion left high school his new girlfriend wasn't even born. I wonder what the parents of Rachel Wood think about this relationship, re age gap.

djmartian, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

She is an actress, yes.

In this new song is... underwhelming. If it is really supposed to be the new "Bela Lugosi's Dead," then that's a sad (and possibly accurate) commentary on the modern state of Goth music.

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

lolz@ "modern state". Marilyn's been humping 80s goth's corpse since his career began. That industrial/goth music culture of confrontation and shock tactics that spread across the late 70s through the early 90s (NIN probably being the death knell) has these days been completely absorbed, at least visually and superficially, by mainstream pretty-boy. In a more substantial sense - in terms of actual sonics and production methods - the current noise underground is basically the equivalent of the 80s industrial scene: aggro, clangorous, interested in damaged and/or reconfigured music technology, etc.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

arrgh should read "mainstream prettyboy gothpunks"

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

evan rachel wood was in some movie i think.


Thirteen.

marmotwolof, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"The song was written because I had been reading the book Lolita and it was very close with Evan Rachel Wood, who’s now my girlfriend, and she came to visit me one day wearing these glasses like Stanley Kubrick in Lolita and part of it because of her sense humour and knowing that people would make their comments about our relationship because she’s younger than me and when I saw her wearing those glasses I had to write a song about it and that’s the way I wrote most of the record."

marmotwolof, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, yes, that was sort of the point of the comment. The Goth subculture, Ned not withstanding, is pretty lame right now. Anyway, Gothic and industrial veered onto fairly different paths somewhere around, I believe, Sisters of Mercy (whom I love, don't get me wrong). They certainly retained elements of each other, and Manson has utilized sounds and iconography from both, but by this point there is a definite difference between the "look at me I'm so gloomy" Gothic sound and the "I'm going to fuck your eardrum with a cheese grater" industrial noise sound.

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

(And for the record, I say classic for Marilyn, if for no other reason than the cyber-glam masterpiece that was Mechanical Animals. His other stuff is enjoyable to varying degrees [except for Golden Age], but pretty much all of them implode about halfway-three quarters of the way through. Mechanical Animals is the only thing he's done where his ambition actually reached the running time.)

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link

otm.

he's had some great singles though!

latebloomer, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I used to love Cake&Sodomy.

MRZBW, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

You could probably make a pretty great Marilyn Manson best-of compilation, even a two-disc one. The one that's out right now (Lest We Forget) isn't it, but it might be an interesting project for someone who isn't as lazy as I am.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, it's the play button on a Cream compilation!!!

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:14 (three years ago) link

And there goes another one

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:16 (three years ago) link

The reason why I think that is, upper mississippi sh@kedown, is because I initially held off on talking like this, but it's been a week, and I've learned to live with the news that Manson is an abuser. Thus, I'm happy to go back and listen to his best work, and enjoy it as a work of art. Again, I separate the art from the artist, and even with artists who I think are all-around terrible as human beings and musicians -- 6ix9ine, most of all -- I separate the music from the creator, and I see what's in the music rather than the personal life.

The Lone Wanderer, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:16 (three years ago) link

ok... I've seen all I need see here *closes manilla folder*

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link

Everyone, this dude was already ethered by treeship, there's no reason to continue engaging

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:23 (three years ago) link

someone here is clearly very bored, but obv so am i

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:31 (three years ago) link

Threadban plz

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:48 (three years ago) link

seems like something that will sort itself organically

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:52 (three years ago) link

i think this gentleman is a parody account

treeship., Tuesday, 9 February 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link

To bring this back to positivity for just a split second, I still think Tim and Ned are totally OTM at the beginning.
...
All of you are OTM in your own ways.

peace, man, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link

Oh, looks like they've been banned anyway.

peace, man, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 15:33 (three years ago) link

just for telling us to love one another. wow. reminds me of someone else...

treeship., Tuesday, 9 February 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link

Everyone, this dude was already ethered by treeship, there's no reason to continue engaging

― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, February 9, 2021 2:23 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol i thought it was someone he named "brian" but i get it now. anyway i'm doing my part with buttons pressed etc. and i hope all of you are doing the same. we really don't need more of this kind of rat shit here you know?

lord of the ting tings (map), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link

*knew named

lord of the ting tings (map), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link

oh hi last few posts haha

lord of the ting tings (map), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 15:37 (three years ago) link

tough days for M. Manson, first these revelations and now he racks up 20 fp's in a single day :(

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 15:45 (three years ago) link

A little fpositivity to brighten your day

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 15:47 (three years ago) link

What if OTM stood for "Oh, that Marilyn" this whole time?

peace, man, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:06 (three years ago) link

Moby is gonna show up next

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link

is that carrie fisher

mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:44 (three years ago) link

Let’s inject some flag postivity in this thread.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link

shes giving him a direct injection of positivity

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:53 (three years ago) link

https://www.thecut.com/2021/02/game-of-thrones-actor-esme-bianco-marilyn-manson.html

again and again and again- fuck this dude to deepest pits of hell

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link

"One Great Story"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link

This is unreal levels of scumbag

The former assistant adds that the singer’s room contained a closet-size glass-walled space he called the “bad girl’s room,” that Manson could lock from the outside.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link

i really hope there is a criminal investigation.

treeship., Wednesday, 10 February 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link

and charges. these reports paint a picture of someone who would make a point of hurting women in any way he can.

treeship., Wednesday, 10 February 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link

thank you, dr. treeship

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 20:31 (three years ago) link

i'm just saying, it seems like this is a real pattern and he needs to be held accountable

treeship., Wednesday, 10 February 2021 20:55 (three years ago) link

jfc treesh. ya think?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 11 February 2021 02:13 (three years ago) link

Can’t we all just live with the news that he is an abuser and enjoy his high art instead?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 11 February 2021 02:49 (three years ago) link

I'll enjoy it when he's in jail.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 11 February 2021 03:20 (three years ago) link

cancel him straight into the earth's core or something.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 11 February 2021 03:21 (three years ago) link

I’m honestly kind of shocked at the lateness of this given his high profile and the severity of the abuse. I feel like it implicates a whole mini industry / scene rather than just one individual. I mean it always does, but maybe a bit more so in this case.

lord of the ting tings (map), Thursday, 11 February 2021 03:29 (three years ago) link

Like i understand that a major victim naming a name is the catalyst here but jeez... what has to be at stake that so many people keep quiet / keep it from boiling over for so long.

lord of the ting tings (map), Thursday, 11 February 2021 03:32 (three years ago) link

I wonder what was the final nail in the coffin for Trent Reznor? Was it just that he wanted to sober up and saw him as a bad influence to be around or is did he witness something that made him go “fuck this shit, I’m out of here”.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 11 February 2021 04:19 (three years ago) link

he's said one of the things that really soured their relationship was manson's autobiography having the story of them assaulting a woman together, which he maintains was completely fabricated, but it's been generally implied by him that manson's drug & alcohol issues were a big part of it too

they did briefly somewhat reconcile around 2000 where manson appeared in the starfuckers, inc. video and performed it with nin once then, but then they were back to insulting each other in the press before long

ufo, Thursday, 11 February 2021 04:51 (three years ago) link

Also the previous nails were all under 9 inches.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 11 February 2021 05:26 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

It just gets grosser…

https://pitchfork.com/news/marilyn-manson-accused-of-another-sexual-assault-in-new-lawsuit/

pomenitul, Saturday, 29 May 2021 14:47 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

I just want to take a moment to apologize to all of you. My comments in February were incredibly disrespectful and tone-deaf, and I really should not have posted them. You are welcome to ban me again, I find that completely fair. I just wanted to let you all know that I am genuinely sorry for any upset I caused, and I hope you all can find it in your hearts to forgive me to some extent. And even if you don't forgive me even a little, just know that I hold no contempt for you and I even understand, given how idiotic and willfully ignorant my comments back in February were.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Lone Wanderer Mark II, Saturday, 21 August 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

The LA Times article from yesterday is horrifying, it’s even worse than what’s been alleged so far. ERW’s testimony and story seems to be barely the tip of the iceberg, sadly.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 6 November 2021 18:30 (three years ago) link

Was there anything new in there? Seemed like kind of a summary of articles that I’ve read in this thread. Regardless, yeah, fuck this dude.

circa1916, Saturday, 6 November 2021 21:55 (three years ago) link

Maybe it was just a summary, but there were a couple women’s stories that seemed new to me. Regardless, pretty awful to see it all laid out like that.

Also, fuck Kanye for playing any part in trying to rehab this slime.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 6 November 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link

jesus

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 15 November 2021 02:13 (three years ago) link

I think with these stories, there's always a varying amount of how many people knew and did nothing and with this one, it's gotta be on the higher end

Murgatroid, Monday, 15 November 2021 02:50 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Jesus Christ the latest allegations are particularly sickening. Fuck this guy forever.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link


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