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:::::It is you who has an ax to grind: Numbers is a highly reputable academic, in fact he could be the only academic source on White's plagiarism cited in the article, self-serving views of Ramik (lawyer paid by the SDA) and Schwartz (professor paid by the SDA) aside. He was a devout Adventist who fell hard since he discovered he was deceived and sabotaged by his own church. Besides, historians work with [[methodological naturalism]], it is part of their trade-craft: no God explanations allowed! [[User:Tgeorgescu|Tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:Tgeorgescu|talk]]) 23:29, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::Ramik mentioned two arguments against plagiarism: copyright of certain works had already expired and the copy/pasting was not mechanical, but creative. Well, legally that ''could'' be true, however plagiarism is not restricted to its legal sense. So, as far as I can see from the above, nobody seriously denies that she copy/pasted creatively. We reached a consensus hereupon. [[User:Tgeorgescu|Tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:Tgeorgescu|talk]]) 18:13, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::With the possible, extremely problematic, problem of whether her actions were divinely inspired, like perhaps some of her predecessors, and the possibility of making a claim which has apparently never been made that God simply repeated things he had said to someone else earlier to Mrs. White, which might not qualify as a problem on her part, I agree. If someone had made sure a claim, of course, that might have to be mentioned. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 18:21, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
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