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:::White did not have a "formal" education beyond the 3rd grade or so, however she became self-educated, like many in her day, through being widely read. She had a large library. She wrote some 50,000 pages of manuscript in her own hand writing; Hundreds of magazine articles; hundreds of letters; and several dozen books. She was a renown orator in great demand, who spoke to thousands and thousands of people through out the US, Australia and Europe. She sounded like she knew what she was talking about because she did. In her later life, some believers accredited everything she wrote as coming directly from the mouth of God. In her early carrier, no one who knew her ever claimed such nonsense because they knew better. White never made any such claim or intimation. It was to dispel such silly notions that she wrote about her sources in the forward to the 1911 Great Controversy jshortly before her death. However, that claim that everything she wrote came directly from the mouth of God remained an urban legend in the SDA community and grew exponentially after her death in 1915, which is why Ray was so shocked when he discovered that it wasn't so. And why Numbers is so viciously anti White. Yes, she used other sources, just like everybody else. And like most in her day, those sources were not always noted. but her use was not for her gain or self aggrandizement. She was looking for the best ways to express what she believed that God had impressed upon her mind. She was not a mindless dictation machine. She claimed that she was shown things in vision and then she told or wrote down what she had seen and heard. Since her death, the White estate has gone to great lengths to add footnotes to her republished works giving credit to sources where known. Contrary to the claims of Ray and other critics, most of what White wrote is enough different from her sources to not constitute cut and past copyright plagiarism. It is important to note that her statement in 1911 occurred long before charges of plagiarism ever came up so I'm adding that back in. Back in her day, there were plenty of critics, but none ever charged plagiarism. Plagiarism is a distinctly mid-20th century concern. --[[User:DebbieEdwards|DebbieEdwards]] ([[User talk:DebbieEdwards|talk]]) 21:17, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
::I just note in passing what we call plagarism and the laws and possibly ethical standards of her time are significantly different. The number of French plays based on Polidori's ''The Vampyre'' and the pretty much obvious wholesale copying of Captain Marvel comic stories in contemporary British comics come to mind. I add the second point about laws because it seems to me most of our modern ideas of what is and is not ethical seem to relate to legalities in some way. I am less sure that the ethical standards of our time may not be stricter than the ethics of hers, and if they are we should try to avoid anachronistic evaluations of her actions.
might be useful to consult regarding the then- current ethics of plagarism. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 21:51, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
:::That's why we cite [[WP:SECONDARY]] sources. [[User:Tgeorgescu|Tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:Tgeorgescu|talk]]) 22:10, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
::::Of your secondary sources: Ray was a former SDA who had been taught that everything White said and wrote came from the mouth of God, even though White had written in the forward in the 1911 the Great Controversy that she had made use of out side sources. Ray left the church and remains an out spoken enemy of White. Ray has a huge ax to grind.
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