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Accident: Qatar A321 at Doha on Dec 8th 2017, aircraft on fire during maintenance
Reader Comments: (the comments posted below do not reflect the view of The Aviation Herald but represent the view of the various posters) Why categorised as an Accident while no intention of flight? (Annex13) By Ahs on Sunday, Sep 5th 2021 10:31Z Why it is categorised as an "Accident" when there was no intention of flight and the aircraft was parked at a remote bay? Not in line with Annex 13 Definitions of an "accident."
Fire retardant versus fire proof By Chris smith on Sunday, Sep 22nd 2019 18:25Z Given time and temperature most anything will burn. Fire retarding materials just buy you time.
I do wonder what happened to the engines after they were returned to the lessor. By Lennart Rimestad on Saturday, Sep 1st 2018 12:31Z Its a write off
By (anonymous) on Wednesday, Apr 25th 2018 16:25Z Does anyone have an update on what has happened / is happening to this aircraft?
QR - A321 By Alainboy on Saturday, Dec 16th 2017 13:58Z This is the second complete hull loss that I am aware of.
About 10 years ago - don't kill me if my memory has faded, but an A300-600 was at GAMCO hangers in Abu Dhabi for a respray and by all accounts, the maintenance personnel forgot the earthing and the aircraft went up in flames extremely quickly. The sprayer had to jump down from his position and broke an ankle (the only human injury) however it did damage several other aircraft in close vicinity. I remember one was a Kingfisher A320, which was also a write-off. By Charles H. on Friday, Dec 15th 2017 02:44Z That is NOT what they mean by "kick the tires and light the fires"!
Metal Fire By CJ on Tuesday, Dec 12th 2017 21:15Z Ref. discussion about fire retardant material and why the fire spread so quickly and forcefully:
Aluminium itself is combustible! This was impressively shown again just today in Kourou, French Guyane (search for pictures of Ariane 5 launch - the plume you see coming from the two booster stages is actually burning aluminium). The holes in the fuselage of this A321 are not melted out but burnt through (mostly, presumably). When aluminium is on fire you have hardly any chance to quickly extinguish it. By (anonymous) on Tuesday, Dec 12th 2017 09:56Z Poor maintenance as they are cutting cost these days..all involved maint personal not working anymore for QTR
By Molos on Monday, Dec 11th 2017 13:22Z at least they are now no longer concerned about the inflight entertainment system and satcom antenna....
makes sense By onfire on Monday, Dec 11th 2017 08:21Z "some damage to the aircraft" makes perfectly sense looking at the pictures :D
Fire Service ? By scotneil on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 20:42Z Does not look to me like it's "promptly extinguished ". I doubt if remote maintenance stand is more remote than runway - would passengers have been evacuated safely had this been result of a crash ?
Cortributing factor. By You can send a monkey into space, don't let'm fix aircraft. on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 18:39Z Would the pax psu chemical ox gen's have contributed to accelerating the fire?
On fire ? By Jukka Junkers on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 18:08Z Not usual...may be arson ?
Political divergences breakthrough all the Arabian Peninsula countries / Reigns. Way better than British Airtours 28m By DJ on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 17:19Z Most insulating materials will still burn like a tire dump, even the flame retardant ones. The improved fire protection since the 28m accident ensures that it spreads slowly enough so people can get out in time without choking to death on toxic fumes.
It's also worth noting that interior panels play an important role in fire protection. When removed for maint, it exposes materials that are more flammable. If they were using an arc welder or something like that and got sparks in an insulated bay or compartment, it could have started smoldering unnoticed and eventually burning in a hard-to-access area. Pure speculation of course. What a Relief ... By alanauer on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 14:33Z ... that it was "promptly extinguished."
fire survivability By (anonymous) on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 11:17Z average survivability of an aircraft with uncontrolled fire...20 minutes?
So first question is: how long dud fire develop before serious extinguishing action started? Then to all: yes a plane will burn, like a car, a train or your appartment if fire spreads out: that is why aircrews are train to consider any fire seriously and respond swiftly. Guessing By ScrewdriverKid on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 08:55Z Causes? Only guessing...
Non fire retardant insulation being able to burn so far down tge fuselage is quite unusual but ok.... Source of ignition...a short in the wires sparking and igniting something? Or maybe a heatgun warming the heatshrinking sleeve during work on wires? Or a bit of a twisted theory-contact spray used on a connector and being ignited by a short/or heatgun and flames carryed down the plane by the cabin ventilation system.... Another thing is-all this mod equipment ie IFE/satcom/wifi etc is often civilian grade modified for aviation use-extra shielded or reinforced in places-maybe there was a spot missed on that shielding.... Just guessing.... Or... By George on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 08:39Z Perhaps they burned it for the insurance money, lol!
"Some damage" By Dubai_Phil on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 07:07Z This is a hull loss.
Some parts can be reused but this airframe is a write off. Not "possible" but certainly. By (anonymous) on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 05:20Z She served well for 7.4 years. may she be recycled in peace.
By punyandy on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 03:55Z no possibly about it. that plane is farked.
ES By Peter Lewis on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 03:26Z Well emergency services got a new training prop to practice on. That airframe is toast.
Inflammable interiour By Skytramp on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 02:17Z Despite the fact,that the airline industry promoted inflammable use of material, you will see the outcome here! Goodluck the plane was empty and on grd.
The QR management has to answer the question,why it is possible,that inflammable interiour has such an effect! 'jerry311' By pjbonner on Sunday, Dec 10th 2017 00:03Z I echo your concerns.
It's very disturbing that a fire should take hold like this, If it can happen on the ground, the same materials would burn in the sky. Economically nonviable to repair By Christian Steiner on Saturday, Dec 9th 2017 23:15Z As many other have suggested, it would be economically nonviable to repair this aircraft. Presumably it was insured and thus the insurance company will pick up all, or part of, the replacement cost.
There will surely be questions that demand answers as to the cause of this incident. Having flown with QR many times I have utmost confidence in the airlines on all matters pertaining to passenger safety. The incident report, when published, will outline the cause of what happened and steps will be taken to ensure the same does not happen again. Condor at SXF Incident By KAP on Saturday, Dec 9th 2017 23:10Z The Condor damage is not even close--purely physical damage to a specific set of frames--fire damage is different--the metals are melted and weakened. The Qatar plane is GONE. Engines, gear, maybe some wing and tail components will fly again--but on another plane...
Definite Write-off By The Legacy on Saturday, Dec 9th 2017 22:52Z I can pretty much guarantee that this aircraft will never fly again; if you look at the picture, there are burn marks along the entire fuselage length. Because of that, they would have to replace all those sections, and thus, the airplane itself.
Besides which, even if it was somehow repairable, even as a 7 year old airframe, it would be economically unfeasible, as it would cost more to gut, repair, and replace everything both inside and outside the aircraft, than it would cost to buy new. There's also the fact that the plane will never be able to fly to Toulouse for repairs; they would have to cut it up and ship it there, adding even more cost. Yeah... she's done. Mwy she rest in piece. By Pukka on Saturday, Dec 9th 2017 22:48Z That looks scary. Thank goodness that didn't happen inflight,
fire retardant By jerry311 on Saturday, Dec 9th 2017 22:13Z I thought almost everything is fire retardant on modern planes...
It does not seem to work. not automatically a write off the 2nd By (anonymous) on Saturday, Dec 9th 2017 21:39Z but then again, this state owned airline is just throwing around with money so will probably be written off or sold to another airline
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