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ἀνώτερον or ἀνώτερος lemma for ASN ἀνώτερον #35

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jtauber opened this issue Nov 23, 2015 · 6 comments
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jtauber commented Nov 23, 2015

From #32

63-Lk-morphgnt.txt:031410 A- ----ASNC ἀνώτερον· ἀνώτερον ἀνώτερον ἀνώτερον

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79-Heb-morphgnt.txt:191008 A- ----ASNC ἀνώτερον ἀνώτερον ἀνώτερον ἀνώτερος
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emg commented Nov 23, 2015

I'd say both are either adverbs of A)NW/TERON, or adjectives of A)NW/TEROS. Reading Thayer, he says A)NW/TERON is an adverb that has been derived from A)NW/TEROS. Syntactically, both places would require an adverb. So, probably an adverb analysis with A)NW/TERON lemma?

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jtauber commented Nov 24, 2015

I still struggle with these cases because using a neuter adjective adverbially is highly productive in Ancient Greek. The very fact some grammars talk about using neuter adjectives adverbially suggests they don't view these cases as a separate lexeme (any more than using an adjective or participle substantively means they are actually separate noun lexemes).

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emg commented Dec 15, 2015

This ties into a broader discussion: Is the morphological analysis a "form only", or also "functional" analysis? In the example at hand, the functional analysis would be "adverb, A)NW/TERON", whereas the form-only analysis would be "adjective, accusive singular neuter, A)NW/TEROS". In my work on Nestle 1904, I have attempted to provide a ditinction between "form-only" and "function" in two separate morphological tags, though only for certain morphological categories on verbs.

I guess an even more general discussion is: What uses should be possible with the tags? If supporting treebank analysis is a desired use-case, it might be best to provide a functional analysis, at least alongside a form-only analysis.

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jtauber commented Dec 15, 2015

I think a functional analysis should be separate and I'd like personally to focus on just the formal properties (although happy for others to provide addition annotations of function that link to my formal analysis).

In a purely "morphological" analysis (which I'm striving for) I'm not even planning on having parts of speech like "adverb" and "adjective" but rather the six categories outlined in the second table of http:https://jktauber.com/2015/11/05/morphological-parts-speech-greek/

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jtauber commented Dec 15, 2015

But even then there's still a question of whether an accusative singular neuter adjective functioning as an adverb is indeclinable or inflecting for case :-)

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jtauber commented Dec 15, 2015

I should note, though, that even if we can't yet decide how to handle accusative singular neuter adjective vs adverb we need to either change the lemma or the parse code in the Luke 14.10 case as they contradict each other.

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