At the same time this is only just two different perspectives by two different people. The first and second being a and b.
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<a> Meh. Thats what i dislike about the forum. When i search some question i know someone must have asked, people will usualy only have RTFM'd them. So i really, really, try to find something, and wind up here asking a question and getting an answer which is much, much, better. "RTFM which you find here".
<b> "the" forum beeing?
<a> b: Heh. Thanks. Uh, the osdev.org forum :P.
<b> yeah, that's a pretty useless place
<b> i have learned nothing there
<a> osdever.net has a hidden, unfinished one, i found out by a lucky guess. But thats not much use
<b> that's not what i mean
<b> it's the people who's the problem, not the technology
<b> in theory, it's way better than IRC, because the questions are more thought through and discussions are focused
<b> alas, the level of competency only goes so far
<b> 80% of the questions are repetitions and variations of the same theme (usually booting and memory mgmt)
<a> Yep. Oh well. At least im trying, and learning, to be less noobish for every day. Ah, well. *reads on*
<b> and then some boso comes along and says "use a bitmap" and the n00b does it only to later realize he has spent one month moving sideways
<b> better read real books, specs, think and code on your own *grin*
<a> *grins back* Meh, im trying. I'm usually reading a tutorial andlook at the specs and compare, trying to teach myself how to read the specs without messing up totaly. Then i code something, stumble upon something stupid, spend 5 hours trying to take apart my code, learning a very basic but nevertheless deeply needed lesson 8-)...
<b> sounds good
<a> Meh, makes me feel good. Oh, showed a friend of mine my os in "school" today. He said "Zomg, let me switch today"... :P
<a> (osrc is a gold mine)
* a actually seems to find something worthwhile on osdev.org's forum and is *chocked*
<c> a I only found 47 threads (which each have numerous posts inside) that included 'RTFM' out of 105,612 at www.osdev.org.
<b> "RTFM" wasn't meant literally, i think
<a> a: O-o.. not always concatated :P (excuse my spelling)
<b> RTFM covers various variations, like "go read spec X" and "shut the **** up and read up Y"
<c> What is your name on the forums a?
<a> c: I have no user there, i just use the search button. The ammount of (non-direct) rtfm scares me away from that place)
<a> c: i dont want to be rude, but, yeah. Even if the question is asked in a pretty good manner thats what usualy comes up. The ONLY threads ive found of any use other than in the purely philosophical parts were those linked on the wiki. But then again, i mostly used the search function :)
Maybe all this bickering (and what comes from me being a __large__ part in a few incidences here) is really hurting the forums more than helping, and this might be directly related to the format and features of the forum. When I say features I am not requests additional features, but just trying to give an example by saying that there is no easy way to seperate a correction or conversation about a correction (argument) from the actual content, and this may cause viewers to get the impression that the forum is not very welcome?
I think the poster is just too lazy, although to an extent, he may have a point. (Not a very large point, mind you, but a point nonetheless.)
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